Industry Views

SABO SEZ: Ratings Lessons from Dr. Ruth

By Walter Sabo
CEO, Sabo Media Action Partners
A.K.A. Walter M Sterling
Host, WPHT, Philadelphia – daily
Talk Media Network – Sundays

imDr. Ruth Westheimer holds the audience share record for 18-34s in New York.

When her first-ever radio show launched on WYNY-FM it was 15 minutes a week. She solicited letters. By the end of the second week, she had gotten over 1,000 letters.

General manager Dan Griffin put her on the air. Mitch Lebe had a good talk show and had booked Ruth as a guest… she was memorable! Betty Elam, public affairs director met her at a City College lecture. Everyone saw and felt the potential, but it was Mr. Griffin who came to me with the plan to hire Dr. Ruth. I was executive vice president in charge of the NBC FM stations and WYNY-FM was my responsibility. Being tactically and boldly irresponsible I said, “Yup, put her on.”

A few months later, Al Brady Law the next GM and Pete Salant expanded her show to two hours on Sunday nights taking live phone calls. Very quickly she got on the cover of PEOPLE, guested on the “Tonight Show” and became Dr. Ruth!

How did this happen? 

— Dan Griffin had been in the CIA. He was brilliant, fearless, and Catholic. I never heard him raise his voice or do anything without reasons and facts. My confidence in his judgement made a sex talk show easy to launch. He knew how to talk to humorless lawyers, advertisers, listeners and the NBC Standards and Practices department.

Dr Ruth’s world was fearless thanks to Dan Griffin. Amateur GMs would have panicked when she said, “blow job” and “vagina,” every week. Dan never blinked.

The underpinning of her success was the lack of fear. Management was fearless. She was fearless. Therefore, she could be authentic. Authenticity is rare, appealing, and always successful. Today, I’ve known talent beaten for making fun of Erin Andrews or posting a meme. How would that management have handled Dr. Ruth? They’d be passed out under the table. When listeners, lawyers, advertisers complain – that means it’s working!

Note GMs Griffin and Law were GOAT programmers who had never spent a second in sales.

— Dr. Ruth had two bullet wounds from her service in the Israeli army. She had no fear – of anything. This is key – she had no concerns about the comments of her psychologist peers or her private patients. Every other radio psychologist I’ve worked with were all concerned about their colleagues’ reactions to their radio work. Not Ruth. She maintained a listed private practice in Manhattan the rest of her life.

— She took direction. We gave her a few tips on how to take phone calls, how to pace a radio show. She embraced and enacted them all.

— Relentless promoter. Dr. Ruth was a self-made star. Every single day, at every meeting she pushed for more air time, press, appearances. She was happy to show up, do the heavy lifting, and work on every possible opportunity to grow the show. All whoopee parties were good news for Dr. Ruth. She launched two cable networks including Lifetime.

— She focused on the cross hairs of her expertise and the listeners’ interests. She never strayed from her knowledge and the listener’s expectations.

Dr. Ruth entered the Radio Hall of Fame without objection from anyone.

She received a purple heart from her service in the Israeli army.

And she was funny as heaven. Thank you, Dr. Ruth.

Walter Sabo has been a C Suite action partner for companies such as SiriusXM, Hearst, Press Broadcasting, Gannett, RKO General and many other leading media outlets. His company HITVIEWS, in 2007, was the first to identify and monetize video influencers.. His nightly show “Walter Sterling Every Damn Night” is heard on WPHT, Philadelphia. His syndicated show, “Sterling On Sunday,” from Talk Media Network, airs 10:00 pm-1:00 am ET, and is now in its 10th year of success. He can be reached by email at sabowalter@gmail.com.

Industry Views

Monday Memo: Are You Ready?

By Holland Cooke
Consultant

imNext month, as the school year begins in so many places, the listeners that local retailers want as customers transition back to their “normal” routines. Their tempo changes and builds to a holiday season climax. And we – and our advertisers – want to be their soundtrack.

WHO ARE “they?” Last week’s column described a useful exercise that fleshes-them-out and tees-up important imaging and content discussions worth having pre-Labor Day.

im

Off-air promotion (remember that?) merely says give-us-a-try. When they do, does what they hear deliver? And even with scant (or no) off-air promotion, much of what you can do to become more habit-forming costs nothing. As consultants do, I’m talking about “the fundamentals,” the blocking-and-tackling stuff.

Here’s the checklist of things you want to be listening for right now.

Holland Cooke (HollandCooke.com) is a consultant working the intersection of broadcasting and the Internet. He is the author of The Local Radio Advantage: Your 4-Week Tune-In Tune-Up and “Close Like Crazy: Local Direct Leads, Pitches & Specs That Earned the Benjamins” and “Confidential: Negotiation Checklist for Weekend Talk Radio.” Follow HC on Twitter @HollandCooke and connect on LinkedIn

Industry News

WABC, New York to Broadcast Live from RNC

WABC Radio and the Red Apple Audio Networks are broadcasting and streaming live from the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee today through Thursday. WABC says, “Throughout the day, WABC Radioim reporter James Flippin will capture the excitement from the convention floor with up-to-the-minute reports and on-the-spot interviews. WABC Radio host Jeanine Pirro will be attending the Convention and will stop by the WABC Radio Booth to share her views.” Company CEO John Catsimatidis adds, “This is an important time in America, and Americans want to know who will be the next president. As a trusted news and political source, it is our responsibility to provide WABC Radio listeners and our affiliated stations’ listeners vital information and insightful commentary live from the Republican National Convention.

Industry News

Jesse Kelly Show Joins WFLF, Orlando

The Premiere Networks nationally syndicated “Jesse Kelly Show” is being added to the program lineup atim iHeartMedia’s news/talk WFLF, Orlando, airing from 7:00 pm to 10:00 pm. iHeartMedia Orlando SVP of programming Ken Holiday states, “We are thrilled to welcome Jesse Kelly to WFLA Orlando! Starting Monday, July 15, Jesse will bring his unfiltered and unapologetic insights to our listeners. From history to politics to pizza, Jesse’s show has it all in a no-nonsense kind of way. Whether you’re a veteran like Jesse or just a good ol’ fashioned red-blooded American, the show has something for everyone.”

Ratings Takeaways

June 2024 PPM Ratings Takeaways – Part Four

imJune 2024 PPM Data – Information for Nielsen Audio’s June 2024 survey period (May 23 – June 19) has been released for Austin, Raleigh, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Nashville, Providence, Norfolk, Jacksonville, West Palm Beach, Greensboro, Memphis, and Hartford.

No share or rank thresholds are required to be included here.

DNA – DNA = Did Not Appear – Does Not Appear

Comparisons are May 2024 – June 2024 (6+). 

AUSTIN

News/Talk

KLBJ-AM 4.4 – 4.5, #7 – #8

KJCE .1 – DNA, #29 – DNA

News

None

Sports Talk

KBPA-HD2  1.0 – 1.0, #21 – #19

KVET-AM .6 – .7, #22 – #22

KTAE DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

KUT 6.1 – 4.9, #3 – #5

KUT-HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA   

Note: Public radio news/talk KUT posts a -1.2 (6.1 – 4.9), which is Austin’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease.

RALEIGH

News/Talk

WTKK 8.3 – 8.6, #2  – #3

WPTF .4 – .5, #24 – #24

News

WRAL-HD3 .7 – .6, #19 – #21

Sports Talk

WCMC-FM 3.2 – 2.3, #12 – #14

WCMC-FM HD2 .1 – DNA, #25 – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WUNC 6.9 – 8.0, #5 – #4 

Notes: While public radio news/talk WUNC’s +1.1 (6.9 – 8.0) represents a tie for Raleigh’s largest (6+)May 2024 – June 2024 increase, sports talk WCMC-FM’s -.9 (3.2 – 2.3) is tied for the market’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease.

INDIANAPOLIS

News/Talk

WIBC 6.9 – 7.5, #4 – #4

News

WOLT-HD2 .2 – .3, #22 – #22

Sports Talk

WIBC-HD2  3.5 – 2.9, #14 – #14

WNDE .1 – .3, #23 – #22

WXNT DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

WFNI DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WFYI 4.8 – 4.8, #9 – #8

MILWAUKEE 

News/Talk

WISN 12.1 – 12.5, tenth consecutive month at #1

WAUK DNA – .2, DNA – #22

WLIP .1 – .1, #26 – #27

WTMJ DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Brewers)

WGKB DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA  

News

None

Sports Talk

WRNW 2.1 – 1.9, #15 – #15

WOKY .3 – .2, #21 – #22

WSSP .2 – .1, #23 – #27

WKTI DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WUWM 2.6 – 2.4, #14 – #14

WHAD-HD2 DNA – .1, DNA – #27

NASHVILLE

News/Talk

WWTN 6.5 – 5.5, #4 – #8

WLAC 1.6 – 1.0, #17 – #18

News

WNRQ-HD2 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WGFX 5.3 – 6.6, #9 – #3

WPRT 2.3 – 1.9, #16 – #16

Public Radio News/Talk

WPLN 3.1 – 2.9, #15 – #14

WPLN-HD3 Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

PROVIDENCE 

News/Talk

WPRO-AM 7.3 – 6.5, #4 – #5

WHJJ  1.2 – 1.1, #13 – #12

News

None

Sports Talk

WVEI 1.8 – 1.6, #10 – #10

WPRV .1 – .1, #19 – #18

WBZ-FM DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WGBH 2.2 – 2.0, #8 – #8

WNPN 1.0 – 1.1, #15 – #12

WCAI .1 – .1, #19 – #18

NORFOLK

News/Talk

WNIS  2.4 – 2.2, #13 – #13

WGH-FM HD2  .1 – DNA, #24 – DNA

News

WNOH Black Information Network .3 – .3, #22 – #22

Sports Talk

WVSP 1.4 – .9, #16 – #19

WGH-AM .1 – .1, #24 – #25

Public Radio News/Talk

None 

JACKSONVILLE

News/Talk

WOKV-FM 8.7 – 9.4, #3 – #2

News

WJBT-HD2 Black Information Network .2 – .2, #22 – #20

Sports Talk

WOKV-AM .2 – .2, #22 – #20

Public Radio News/Talk

WJCT 2.8 – 1.9, #12 – #14

WEST PALM BEACH

News/Talk

WFTL 2.6 – 2.1, #9 – #9

WJNO 1.2 – 1.6, #13 – #13

WZZR 1.0 – 1.3 #14 – #14

News

None

Sports Talk

WMEN .5 – .4, #16 – #16

WBZT .3 – .4, #18 – #16

Public Radio News/Talk

WLRN 2.2 – 2.9, #11 – #8

WLRN-HD2 Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA    

GREENSBORO

News/Talk

WPTI 3.7 – 3.5 #10 – #11

News

None

Sports Talk

None

Public Radio News/Talk

WFDD 4.2 – 4.3, #9 – #8

WUNC 2.1 – 1.9, #12 – #14

MEMPHIS

News/Talk

WREC 1.4 – 2.7, #10 – #7

KWAM .5 – .4, #12 – #12

News

WJMS-HD2 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WMFS 2.6 – 2.7, #7 – #7

WMC-AM .3 – .4, #13 – #12

WMFS Stream .2 – .4, #14 – #12 

Public Radio News/Talk

WKNO 1.0 – .5, #11 – #11

WKNO-HD2  DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Note: News/talk WREC’s +1.3 (1.4 – 2.7) constitutes Memphis’ largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 increase.

HARTFORD

News/Talk

WTIC-AM 4.2 – 4.4, #8 – #8

WDRC-AM 1.2 – 1.7, #16 – #15

WPOP .2 – .2, #20 – #20

WTIC-AM Stream .2 – .2, #20 – #20

News

None

Sports Talk

WUCS 1.5 – 1.1, #15 – #16

Public Radio News/Talk

WNPR 6.4 – 5.7, #5 – #6

WFCR .4 – .6, #19 – #17 

Notes: Public radio news/talk WNPR’s -.7 (6.4 – 5.7) represents a tie for Hartford’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease. 

Mike.Kinosian@gmail.com

Industry News

WGN, Chicago Adds Frank Morano for Overnights

The Red Apple Audio Network syndicated program “The Other Side of Midnight with Frank Morano” isim added to the program schedule at Nexstar Media’s WGN, Chicago beginning Monday (7/15). WGN Radio VP and general manager Mary Sandberg Boyle says, “‘The Other Side of Midnight with Frank Morano’ is engaging, creative, and lively – a trifecta not often found in late night radio shows.”

Industry News

Stefan Jones Promoted to President of USRN

Gemini XIII announces that Stefan Jones is promoted to president of United Stations Radio Networks. Gemini XIII CEO Spencer Brown states, “We are incredibly excited to elevate Stefan Jones to this position.im His expertise, passion, and approach align perfectly with our mission to deliver exceptional audio content and services.” In his new role, Jones will oversee all aspects of USRN’s operations, including programming, services, affiliate relations, and affiliate sales. He will continue to work closely with the talented team at USRN and parent company Gemini XIII to develop innovative strategies that enhance the network’s offerings and drive value for its affiliates and partners.

Ratings Takeaways

June 2024 PPM Ratings Takeaways – Part Three

imJune 2024 PPM Data – Information for Nielsen Audio’s June 2024 ratings period (May 23 – June 19) has been released for Portland, Charlotte, San Antonio, Sacramento, Pittsburgh, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Orlando, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Kansas City, and Columbus.

No share or rank thresholds are required to be included here.

DNA – DNA = Did Not Appear – Does Not Appear

Comparisons are May 2024 – June 2024 (6+).

PORTLAND

News/Talk

KXL 5.8 – 5.0, #2 – #5

KEX 1.7 – 1.8, #20 – #18

KUFO .7 – .7, #24 – #23

KPAM .3 – .3, #31 – #31

News

None

Sports Talk

KXTG 1.2 – 1.1, #21 – #21

KFXX 1.0 – 1.1, #22 – #21

KPOJ .4 – .4, #26 – #26

KMTT .2 – .2, #33 – #33

KFXX Stream  .1 – DNA, #36 – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

KOPB 5.0 – 5.3, #5 – #3

KOPB Stream  1.0 – .7, #22 – #23

CHARLOTTE

News/Talk

WBT 4.7– 5.0, #7 – #5

News

WRFX-HD2 Black Information Network .1 – .1, #23 – #24

Sports Talk

WFNZ-FM 3.7 – 3.0, #10 – #14

WSOC-HD3 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WFAE 3.4 – 2.9, #12 – #15

WNSC .7 – .7, #21 – #21

WFAE-HD3 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

SAN ANTONIO

News/Talk

WOAI 2.8– 3.1, #13 – #13

KTSA 1.9 – 1.4, #19 – #22

News

None

Sports Talk

KTFM 1.4 – 1.2, #21 – #23

KTKR .5 – .4, #29 – #28

KZDC .4 – .4, #31 – #28

Public Radio News/Talk

KSTX 2.1 – 2.4, #17 – #16 

SACRAMENTO

News/Talk

KFBK 8.0 – 7.2 #2 – #3

KSTE-AM 2.5 – 2.3, #15 – #15

KSAC-AM 1.0 – .6, #21 – #26

News

None

Sports Talk

KHTK .9 – 1.0, #23 – #21

KIFM 1.0 – .8, #21 – #23

KIFM Stream  DNA – .1, DNA – #30 

Public Radio News/Talk

KXJZ 3. 6 – 3.1, #10 – #11

KQEI .2 – .3, #28 – #28

KQED .1 – .1, #30 – #30

KUOP DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

PITTSBURGH

News/Talk

KDKA-AM 4.6 – 4.5, #9 – #8

KDKA-AM Stream  .3 – .5, #18 – #18

News

None

Sports Talk

KDKA-FM (Pirates) 7.8 – 7.0, #3 – #5

KDKA-FM Stream (Pirates) .3 – .3, #18 – #19

WBGG .1 – DNA, #20 – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WESA 4.7 – 3.2, #8 – #10      

Note: Public radio news/talk WESA’s -1.5 (4.7 – 3.2) represents Pittsburgh’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease.

SALT LAKE CITY

News/Talk

KSL-AM/FM 4.9 – 6.1, #4 – #2

KNRS-AM/FM 3.1 – 3.1, #14 – #12

KKAT .1 – .1, #27 – #27

News

None

Sports Talk

KALL 1.2 – .5, #22 – #24

KZNS-FM .7 – .5, #25 – #24

KZNS-AM .3 – .1, #26 – #27

KZNS-AM Stream  DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

KZNS-FM Stream  DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

KOVO DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

KUER 3.6 – 2.5, #12 – #17

KBYU-HD2 Stream  .1 – .1, #27 – #27

KUMT .1 – .1, #27 – #27    

Note: News/talk KSL’s +1.2 (4.9 – 6.1) represents Salt Lake City’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 increase.

LAS VEGAS

News/Talk

KMXB-HD3 1.7– 1.8, #22 – #20

KXNT .2 – .4, #33 – #31

KMZQ .1 – .3, #37 – #34

KXNT Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

News

None

Sports Talk

KWWN .5 – .4, #28 – #31

KKGK .3 – .3, #29 – #34

KRLV .1 – .3, #37 – #34

KENO .1 – DNA, #37 – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

KNPR 1.5 – 1.3, #24 – #23

ORLANDO

News/Talk

WTKS 5.1 – 5.6, #7 – #5

WDBO 3.7 – 3.6, #10 – #10

WFLF .8 – .8, #19 – #18

WFYY .5 – .5, #21 – #21

WFYY-HD3 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

News

None

Sports Talk

WYGM 1.0 – .8, #17 – #18

WDYZ DNA – .1, DNA – #25

WOCL-HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WMFE DNA – 2.0, DNA – #14

WMFV 1.8 – DNA, #16 – DNA

CINCINNATI

News/Talk

WLW 11.8 – 10.3, #2 – #2 (Reds)

WKRC 6.1 – 5.4, #5 – #6

News

None

Sports Talk

WCKY .8 – .6, #19 – #20

WSAI .4 – .4, #21 – #21

Public Radio News/Talk

WVXU 3.2 – 3.4, #10 – #9   

Note: News/talk WLW’s -1.5 (11.8 – 10.3) represents Cincinnati’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease.

CLEVELAND

News/Talk

WTAM 7.4 – 7.0, #5 – #5 (Guardians)

News

WMMS-HD2 Black Information Network .1 – DNA, #23 – DNA

Sports Talk

WKRK 4.8 – 4.4, #10 – #10

WKRK Stream 1.0 – .6, #19 – #19

WARF .1 – .1, #23 – #24

Public Radio News/Talk

WKSU 5.5 – 6.6, #7 – #6

WKSU-HD4 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA   

Note: Public radio news/talk WKSU’s +1.1 (5.5 – 6.6) represents Cleveland’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 increase.

KANSAS CITY

News/Talk

KMBZ-FM 5.4 – 5.5, #4 – #4

KCMO-AM 1.5 – 1.7, #17 – #17

KMBZ-AM 1.3 – 1.2, #18 – #20

KMBZ-FM Stream 1.3 – 1.0, #18 – #23

KCMO-AM Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

KMBZ-FM HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

News

None

Sports Talk

KCSP 3.3 – 3.2, #11 – #10 (Royals)

KCSP Stream  1.1 – 1.0, #21 – #23 (Royals)

KWOD DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

KCUR 2.3 – 2.2, #15 – #16

KANU-HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

COLUMBUS

News/Talk

WTVN 5.5 – 5.2, #6 – #6    

News

Black Information Network WYTS DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WBNS-FM 7.8 – 7.8, #2 – #2

WBNS-AM .4 – .1, #21 #22

WMNI .1 – .1, #23 – #22

WBNS-FM HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WOSU 5.4 – 4.6, #7 – #7

Up next: June 2024 overviews for Austin; Raleigh; Indianapolis; Milwaukee; Nashville; Providence; Norfolk; Jacksonville; West Palm Beach; Greensboro; Memphis; and Hartford. 

Mike.Kinosian@gmail.com

Industry News

Premiere Talk Hosts Originating from RNC Next Week

A number of Premiere Networks nationally syndicated talk hosts will present their programs live from the 2024 Republican National Convention in Milwaukee next week. The “Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show” andim “The Jesse Kelly Show” will originate from Milwaukee’s convention center beginning on Monday (7/15). The “Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show” will broadcast from local affiliate “News/Talk 1130” WISN on Friday (7/19). Additionally, Sean Hannity will host “The Sean Hannity Show” along with his primetime FOX News Channel program “Hannity” live from Milwaukee. Ben Ferguson will also be on the ground in Milwaukee covering the convention for his various programs, including the nationally syndicated weekend program “The Ben Ferguson Show,” “The Ben Ferguson Podcast” and the “Verdict with Ted Cruz” podcast.

Ratings Takeaways

June 2024 PPM Ratings – Part Two

imJune 2024 PPM Data – Information for Nielsen Audio’s June 2024 ratings period (May 23 – June 19) has been released for: Washington, Boston, Miami, Seattle, Detroit, Phoenix, Minneapolis, San Diego Tampa, Denver, Baltimore, and St. Louis.

No share or rank thresholds are required for spoken-word stations to be included here.

DNA – DNA = Did Not Appear – Does Not Appear

Comparisons are May 2024 – June 2024 (6+).

WASHINGTON, DC

News/Talk

WMAL 3.8 – 3.6, #11 – #11

WFED .1 – .1, #31 – #30 (Nationals)

News

WTOP & WTLP 8.2 – 9.5, #2 – #2

Business News WDCH .6 – .6, #24 – #23

Business News WDCH Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

WMZQ-HD2 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

WUST DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WJFK-FM 2.0 – 1.4, #16 – #17 (Nationals)

WJFK-FM Stream .9 – .6, #19 – #23 (Nationals)

WTEM .5 – .2, #26 – #27

WTEM Stream .4 – .4, #28 – #28

WSBN .1 – .1, #31 – #30

WTSD .1 – DNA, #31 – DNA

WJFK-AM DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Nationals)

Public Radio News/Talk

WAMU 10.7 – 11.3, 32nd month in succession at #1

BOSTON

News/Talk

WRKO 2.9 – 2.9, #13 – #13

WXKS-AM .6 – .6, #24 – #23

News

News – Talk WBZ-AM 4.5 – 4.7, #7 – #7

Business news WRCA .2 – .1, #26 – #28

Black Information Network WJMN-HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WBZ-FM 11.0 – 9.9, sixth straight month at #1

WEEI-FM 4.0 – 3.5, #8 – #10 (Red Sox)

WEEI-FM Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Red Sox)

WEEI-AM DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Red Sox)

Public Radio News/Talk

WBUR 5.4 – 5.4, #4 – #5

WGBH 3.8 – 3.1, #9 – #11 

Note: While on top the sixth month in a row, sports talk WBZ-FM has Boston’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease (11.0 – 9.9, -1.1). It is the flagship of the NBA’s Celtics, which captured their record-setting eighteenth NBA championship on June 17.

MIAMI

News/Talk

WIOD 1.4 – 1.9, #21 – #21

News

WXBN Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WQAM .9 – 1.1 #25 – #23

WINZ .5 – .5, #30 – #31 (Marlins)

WQAM Stream .2 – .4, #33 – #32

WMEN .1 – .1, #36 – #38

WSFS-HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

WAXY DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WLRN 4.3 – 4.3, #6 – #7

WLRN-HD2 .1 – DNA, #36 – DNA    

Note: Sports talk WQAM is the flagship of the NHL’s Florida Panthers, which – on June 24 – won the NHL Stanley Cup.

SEATTLE

News/Talk

KIRO-FM 4.5 – 4.9, #6 – #5

KVI 1.8 – 2.1, #21  – #21

KTTH 1.5 – 2.0, #23 – #22

KPTR .1 – .1, #29 – #29

News

KNWN-AM & KNWN-FM 2.4 – 2.5, #17 – #18

KHHO Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

KIRO-AM 3.3 – 3.9, #14 – #10 (Mariners)

KJR-FM 1.8 – 1.6, #21 – #23

KJR-AM .7 – .6, #26 – #26

Public Radio News/Talk

KUOW 7.3 – 6.6, #2 – #2

KSWS DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA 

DETROIT

News/Talk

WJR 1.7 – 1.9, #17 – #16

WFDF .3 – .5, #25 – #22

WJR Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

News

WWJ 4.4 – 4.7, #11 – #9

WWJ Stream .4 – .3, #24 – #24

WDFN Black Information Network .1 – .1, #29 – #26

Sports Talk

WXYT-FM 8.2 – 7.5, #2 – #2 (Tigers)

WXYT-FM Stream 1.6 – 1.1, #18 – #20 (Tigers)

WXYT-AM .2 – .1, #26 – #26 (Tigers)

WXYT-AM Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Tigers)

Public Radio News/Talk

WDET 1.9 – 1.8, #16 – #17

WUOM 1.5 – 1.4, #19 – #18

PHOENIX

News/Talk

KFYI 3.4 – 3.5, #8 – #9

KTAR-FM 2.3 – 2.3, #19 – #18

News

None

Sports Talk

KMVP-FM 3.4 – 2.6, #8 – #14 (Arizona Diamondbacks)

KTAR-AM .1 – .2, #33 – #31 (Arizona Diamondbacks)

KDUS .1 – .1, #33 – #33

KGME DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

KTAR-AM Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Arizona Diamondbacks)

KTAR-FM HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

KJZZ 2.6 – 2.5, #14 – #15

Note: Sports talk KMVP-FM’s -.8 (3.4 – 2.6) is Phoenix’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease.

MINNEAPOLIS

News/Talk

WCCO 4.6 – 4.5, #9 – #9 (Minnesota Twins)

KTLK-AM 1.9 – 2.2, #17 – #14

KTMY 2.7 – 2.2, #14 – #14

WCCO Stream .5 – .5, #25 – #24 (Minnesota Twins)

News

KQQL-HD2 Black Information Network .1 – DNA, #30 – DNA

Sports Talk

KFXN 8.4 – 6.7, #2 – #3

KSTP-AM .1 – .1, #30 – #30

KQQL-HD3 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

KNOW 6.0 – 6.0, #6 – #8

KNOW Stream .9 – .6, #2 3 – #23

Note: Sports talk KFXN’s -1.7 (8.4 – 6.7) is Minneapolis’ largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease.

SAN DIEGO 

News/Talk

KOGO 3.9 – 3.5, #9 – #11

KLSD .4 – .5, #23 – #23

News

KSSX-HD2 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

KWFN 4.3 – 4.6, #7 – #7 (Padres)

KGB-AM .4 – .4, #23 – #24

KWFN Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Padres)

Public Radio News/Talk

KPBS 6.6 – 7.4, #2 – #1 

Note: In addition to advancing from second to first, public radio news/talk KPBS notches a +.8 (6.6 – 7.4), which represents San Diego’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 increase.

TAMPA

News/Talk

WHPT 5.3 – 3.6, #6 – #9

WFLA 3.4 – 3.5, #13 – #11

News

Business news WHNZ DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

WBTP-HD2 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WDAE 2.2 – 1.6, #16 – #18 (Rays)

Public Radio News/Talk

WUSF 2.1 – 2.4, #18 – #16

WUSF Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

WMNF-HD3 Stream .1 – DNA, #31 – DNA 

Note: News/talk WHPT’s -1.7 (5.3 – 3.6) is Tampa’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease.

DENVER 

News/Talk

KOA 2.6 – 2.6, #17 – #14 (Colorado Rockies)

KHOW 1.2 – 1.3, #23 – #21

KDFD 1.3 – 1.2, #22 – #22

News

None

Sports Talk

KKFN 2.8 – 1.8, #13 – #18

KKSE-FM 3.4 – 1.1, #12 – #23

KAMP .1 – .1, #35 – #32

KEPN .1 – DNA, #35 – DNA

KKSE-AM DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

KCFR 2.7 – 3.0, #16 – #13

KUNC 1.2 – 1.0, #23 – #26

KRCC DNA – .1, DNA – #32  

Note: Sports talk KKSE-FM’s -2.3 (3.4 – 1.1) is the largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease by any station in the 24 PPM-markets analyzed thus far.

BALTIMORE

News/Talk

WBAL 3.6 – 3.0, #11 – #12 (Orioles)

WCBM 1.8 – 2.0, #14 – #14

News

WTOP & WTLP  1.2 – 1.0,  #17 – #17

Business News WDCH  .6 – .5,  #20 – #22

WQLL Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WJZ-FM 3.6 – 3.3, #11 – #11

WJZ-AM .1 – .1, #28 – #26

WJZ-FM Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Public Radio News/Talk

WYPR 5.2 – 3.6, #6 – #10

WYPR HD2 Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA 

ST. LOUIS

News/Talk

KMOX 4.7 – 4.2, #10 – #11 (Cardinals)

KTLK-FM 1.3 – 1.7, #18 – #16

KFTK 1.7 – 1.6, #17 – #17

KMOX Stream .6 – 1.0, #20 – #19 (Cardinals)

KFTK Stream .1 – .1, #28 – #29

News

KATZ-FM HD2 Black Information Network .1 – .1, #28 – #29

Sports Talk

WXOS 3.1 – 3.0, #14 – #14

Public Radio News/Talk

KWMU 5.0 – 4.9, #9 – #9

Up next: June 2024 overviews for Portland; Charlotte; San Antonio; Sacramento; Pittsburgh; Salt Lake City; Las Vegas; Orlando; Cincinnati; Cleveland; Kansas City; and Columbus. 

Mike.Kinosian@gmail.com

Ratings Takeaways

June 2024 PPM Ratings – Part One

imJune 2024 PPM Data – Information for Nielsen Audio’s June 2024 ratings period (May 23 – June 19) has been released for New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Nassau-Suffolk (Long Island), Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, San Jose, and Middlesex-Somerset-Union (New Jersey).

No share or rank thresholds are required for spoken-word stations to be included here.

DNA – DNA = Did Not Appear – Does Not Appear

Comparisons are May 2024 – June 2024  (6+).

NEW YORK

News/Talk

WABC 3.3 – 3.3, #10 – #11

WOR 1.5 – 1.5, #19 – #20

WKXW 1.0 – .9, #23 – #22

WKXW Stream .2 – .3, #39 – #36

WLIR .1 – .1, #45 – #43

News

WINS-FM 4.3 – 4.2, #5 – #7

WCBS-AM 1.5 – 1.5, #19 – #20 (Mets)

Business News WBBR .4 – .4, #34 – #33

WINS-FM Stream .3 – .4, #37 – #33

WCBS-AM Stream .2 – .2, #39 – #37 (Mets)

WWRL & WWPR-HD3 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WFAN FM & AM 2.4 – 2.3, #13 -#13 (Yankees)

WFAN FM & AM Stream .8 – .6, #26 -#27 (Yankees)

Public Radio News/Talk

WNYC-FM 3.3 – 3.7, #10 – #9

WNYC-AM .9 – .7, #24 – #26

LOS ANGELES

News/Talk

KFI 4.0 – 3.7, #7 – #7

KRLA .8 – .7, #33 – #33

KEIB .6 – .5, #34 – #34    

News

KNX-FM 3.3 – 3.1, #10 – #11

KNX-FM Stream .2 – .3, #38 – #37

KRRL-HD2 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA 

Sports Talk

KLAC 1.5 – 1.5, #26 – #27 (Dodgers 

Public Radio News/Talk

KPCC 1.8 – 1.6, #22 – #26

Note: The Angels’ flagships are sports talk KLAA (DNA) and sports talk KSPN (DNA).

CHICAGO

News/Talk

WGN 3.0 – 2.5, #12 – #15

WLS-AM .9 – 1.1, #26 – #25

WVON .2 – .2, #36 – #37

WLS-AM Stream .1 – .1, #41 – #41

WLIP DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

News

WBBM-AM & WCFS 5.2 – 5.4, #4  – #4

WBBM-AM & WCFS Stream .1 – .1, #41 – #41

WVAZ-HD2 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WSCR 3.2 – 2.7, #10 – #13 (Cubs)

WSCR Stream .2 – .3, #36 – #33 (Cubs)

WSHE-HD2 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA  

Public Radio News/Talk

WBEZ 1.6 – 1.7, #21 – #22  

Note: The White Sox flagship is sports talk WMVP (DNA).

SAN FRANCISCO

News/Talk

KSFO 1.4 – 1.0, #22 – #23

KSFO Stream .1 – DNA, #38 – DNA 

News

KCBS-AM & KFRC 5.7 – 5.4, #3 – #3

KNEW .2 – .2, #32 – #30 (Oakland A’s)  

KCBS-AM & KFRC Stream DNA – .1, DNA – #35

KKSF Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA 

Sports Talk

KNBR 4.2 – 4.5, #6 – #5 (Giants)

KGMZ 1.7 – 1.5, #20 – #21

KNBR Stream .4 – .3, #28 – #28 (Giants)

KGO .1 – .1, #38 – #35  

KTCT .1 – .1, #38 – #35  

KGO Stream .2 – DNA, #32 – DNA  

KGMZ Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA     

Public Radio News/Talk

KQED 5.9 – 7.1, #2 – #2

KALW .3 – .3, #31 – #28

Note: Public radio news/talk KQED’s +1.2 (5.9 – 7.1) represents San Francisco’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 increase.

DALLAS

News/Talk

WBAP 2.6 – 3.0, #15 – #12

KSKY .6 – .7, #34 – #33

KLIF-AM .4 – .4, #36 – #35

KFXR-AM .1 – .1, #43 – #38

KSKY Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA 

News

News – Talk KRLD-AM 1.5 – 1.5, #26 – #27

News – Talk KRLD-AM Stream DNA – .1, DNA – #38

KKGM & KHVN Black Information Network DNA – .1, DNA – #38

Sports Talk

KTCK 5.3 – 5.1, #1 – #2

KRLD-FM 2.5 – 2.3, #19 – #20 (Texas Rangers)

KRLD-FM Stream 1.2 – .9, #28 – #30 (Texas Rangers)

Public Radio News/Talk

KERA 2.9 – 2.5, #12 – #17

HOUSTON 

News/Talk

KTRH 3.3 – 3.3, #13 – #13  (Astros)

KPRC .3 – .3, #30 – #27  

News

KXYZ Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

KILT-AM 1.1 – 1.3, #24 – #23

KBME 1.0 – .8, #26 – #26  (Astros)

KILT-AM Stream .6 – .3, #27 – #27

KFNC DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA  

Public Radio News/Talk

KUHF 3.4 – 4.1, #12 – #7

ATLANTA

News/Talk

WSB-AM & WSBB 7.1– 7.2, #2 – #3

WFOM .3 – .3, #30 – #29

WGKA .3 – .2, #30 – #31

WAOK DNA – .1, DNA – #33

WAOK Stream .1 – .1, #33 – #33

WSRV-HD3 Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

News

WBIN Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WCNN 4.1 – 4.2, #8 – #8 (Braves)

WZGC 3.7 – 2.8, #11 – #17

WZGC Stream .6 – .3, #25 – #29

Public Radio News/Talk

WABE 4.0 – 3.6, #9 – #11

WRAS  .5 – .4, #27 – #26

WABE-HD3 DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

PHILADELPHIA

News/Talk

WPHT 2.1 – 2.2, #18 – #16

WKXW 1.1 – .8, #24 – #25

WPHT Stream .7 – .7, #25 – #26

WURD .3 – .3, #28 – #28

WKXW Stream .1 – .1, #31 – #30

WDEL-AM .1 – DNA, #31 – DNA

WURD Stream .1 – DNA, #31 – DNA   

News

KYW & WPHI 5.1 – 5.0, #6 – #6

KYW & WPHI Stream .5 – .7, #27 – #26

WTEL & WDAS-HD2 Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

WIP 7.4 – 7.5, #4 – #3 (Phillies)

WIP Stream 3.0 – 1.7, #10 – #19 (Phillies)

WPEN-FM 1.5 – 1.2, #21 – #22

Public Radio News/Talk

WHYY 2.9 – 3.1, #12 – #11

Note: The -1.3 (3.0 – 1.7) by sports talk WIP’s internet stream is tied for Philadelphia’s largest (6+) May 2024 – June 2024 decrease. 

NASSAU-SUFFOLK (LONG ISLAND)

News/Talk

WABC 1.7 – 1.8, #18 – #16

WOR 1.2 – 1.3, #19 – #20

WLIR .2 – .2, #27 – #27

News

WINS-FM 5.2 – 5.2, #3 – #2

WCBS-AM 1.8 – 1.7, #16 – #18 (Mets)

WINS-FM Stream .6 – .5, #23 – #24

WCBS-AM Stream .4 – .3, #24 – #25 (Mets)

Business News WBBR .4 – .3, #24 – #25

Sports Talk

WFAN-FM & AM 2.9 – 2.9, #10 – #10 (Yankees)

WFAN-FM & AM Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Yankees)

Public Radio News/Talk

WSUF .1 – .2, #31 – #27

RIVERSIDE

News/Talk

None

News

KFOO Black Information Network DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

Sports Talk

KPWK .4 – .2, #21 – #24

Public Radio News/Talk

KVCR .4 – .4 #21 – #19

KPCC DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA

SAN JOSE

News/Talk

KSFO 2.0 – 1.4, #17 – #21

KSFO Stream .3 – .2, #27 – #26  

News

KCBS-AM & KFRC 3.5 – 4.1, #8 – #5

KCBS-AM & KFRC Stream .2 – .2, #29 – #26

KNEW .2 – .2, #29 – #26 (Oakland A’s)  

Sports Talk

KNBR 3.5 – 3.2, #8 – #11 (Giants)

KGMZ 1.3 – 1.4, #22 – #21

KNBR Stream .3 – .2, #27 – #26 (Giants)

KGO .2 – .2, #29 – #26  

KGO Stream .8 – DNA, #26 – DNA  

KTCT DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA   

KGMZ Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA 

Public Radio News/Talk

None

MIDDLESEX-SOMERSET-UNION 

News/Talk

WKXW 7.0 – 6.3, #2 – #2

WOR 3.3 – 3.0, #9 – #9

WKXW Stream .8 – 1.0, #19 – #18         

News

WINS-FM 2.2 – 2.0, #12 – #14

WCBS-AM .8 – .8, #19 – #20 (Mets)

WINS-FM Stream .4 – .3, #24 – #23

WCBS-AM Stream .3 – .1, #25 – #25 (Mets)

Sports Talk

WFAN-FM & AM 2.9 – 2.3, #10 – #13 (Yankees)

WFAN FM & AM Stream DNA – DNA, DNA – DNA (Yankees)    

Public Radio News/Talk

None 

Note: News/talk WKXW’s -.7 (7.0 – 6.3) represents a tie for Middlesex-Somerset-Union’s largest (6+)May 2024 – June 2024 decrease.

Up next: June 2024 overviews for: Washington, DC; Boston; Miami; Seattle; Detroit; Phoenix; Minneapolis; San Diego; Tampa; Denver; Baltimore; and St. Louis.

Mike.Kinosian@gmail.com

Industry News

BFoA: Supporting Our Own

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One of the many video highlights from TALKERS 2024: Radio and Beyond – “The Broadcasters Foundation of America: Supporting Our Own” – is now posted on the brand-new TALKERS MEDIA YouTube channel. The presentation took place at the 27th annual installment of the talk media industry’s longest running national gathering held at Hofstra University on Long Island this past June 7. The event, which unfolded at Hofstra’s Lawrence Herbert School of Communication, was presented by TALKERS in association with the university’s multi-award winning WRHU-FM/WRHU.org. This session focused on the Broadcasters Foundation of America and the vital role it has played for decades as a financial safety net for professional radio and TV broadcasters who fall upon hard times due to illness, accidents, natural disasters, and other catastrophic setbacks. It features a stirring speech by BFoA chairman Scott Herman and a charitable presentation by WPG, Atlantic City morning legend Harry Hurley. This is extremely important viewing for every professional radio and TV broadcasterTo watch the video, please click here. 

Industry News

TALKERS News Notes

FOX News Media is presenting live programming surrounding the 2024 Republican National Convention beginning Sunday, July 14 through Thursday, July 18. Originating from Milwaukee, the network’s convention coverage will be presented across all of FOX News Media’s platforms, including FOX News Channel, FOX Business Network, FOX News Audio, FOX News Digital and FOX Nation.

Virtual News Center adds Lake Cumberland Broadcasters, LLC’s WJRS, Jamestown, Kentucky to its roster of radio affiliates. Virtual News Center will provide daily local newscasts anchored by Jayme Monacelli.

TuneIn and the Big 12 Conference announce a partnership that includes the launch of a 24/7 Conference-branded audio station on TuneIn ahead of the Big 12’s college football season kickoff on August 29. Additionally, TuneIn Premium will offer fans in-game coverage.

Industry News

The Case for AM Radio

One of the many video highlights from TALKERS 2024: Radio and Beyond – “The Case for AM Radio” – is now posted on the brand-new TALKERS MEDIA YouTube channel. The presentation took place at the 27th annual installment of the talk media industry’s longest running national gathering held at Hofstra University on Long Island this past June 7. The event, which took place at Hofstra’s Lawrence Herbert School of Communication, was presented by TALKERS in association with the university’s multi-award winning WRHU-FM/WRHU.org. The special address was delivered by Bill Brady, owner of news/talker KFNX-AM, Phoenix. Brady, a seasoned broadcaster, gave a thorough presentation in support of the “AM Radio for Every Vehicle Act” that is currently working its way through Congress in addition to citing all the benefits of keeping AM radios in new automobile dashboards in spite of the intention of a number of car manufacturers to phase them out. The segment was introduced by Alex Fife, VP of Southwest operations, iHeartMedia Total Traffic & Weather Network.  To watch the video, please click here.

Industry Views

Monday Memo: WHO ARE You Talking To?

By Holland Cooke
Consultant

imWe – inside-the-box – live and breathe radio. Listeners have their hands full just living and breathing. Their day is time crunched and financially challenging, and we want to be its soundtrack.

But listening is free, unlike umpteen other purchase decisions they agonize. So, what’s high stakes to us is low stakes to them. We only matter if we matter, and we’ve never had so much audio competition. Accordingly, this exercise, which has been helpful at stations I work with:

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Describe the listener your station targets. Then ask other staffers.

— Is everyone profiling the same person?

— Does your programming content address their needs and wants?

— Is station imaging about the station? Or their needs and wants?

— Do commercials offer solutions? Are you missing categories?

Well worth the investment in conference room pizza.

Holland Cooke (HollandCooke.com) is a consultant working the intersection of broadcasting and the Internet. He is the author of “The Local Radio Advantage: Your 4-Week Tune-In Tune-Up” and “Close Like Crazy: Local Direct Leads, Pitches & Specs That Earned the Benjamins” and “Confidential: Negotiation Checklist for Weekend Talk Radio.” Follow HC on Twitter @HollandCooke and connect on LinkedIn

Industry News

Salem Prepares for RNC Milwaukee Broadcasts

Salem Media Group is preparing for next week’s programming from Milwaukee – site of the 2024 Republican National Convention. This includes live broadcasts of Salem Radio Network’s “Mike Gallagher Show” from media row at Panther Arena, adjacent to the RNC venue at Fiserv Forum. Salem’s SRN News andim TOWNHALL News will provide top- and bottom-of-the-hour newscasts live from broadcast seats inside Fiserv Forum, as well as live feeds of acceptance speeches from Republican Presidential nominee Donald J. Trump (7/18) and his as-yet unannounced vice-presidential running mate (7/17). SRN VP news & talk programming Tom Tradup says, “As the 2024 presidential campaign kicks into high gear, SRN and SNC will provide live coverage of the RNC that will be second to none. Along with Mike Gallagher, SRN News White House correspondent Greg Clugston and SRN News U.S. Senate correspondent Bob Agnew, we’ll have on-site perspective from our “America First” host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka, who served as a national security strategist in the first Trump administration.”

Industry News

Podtrac Releases Podcast Ranker for June

The latest U.S. podcast ranker from Podtrac (based on unique U.S. monthly audience for participating shows) is released for the month of June and the top five shows remain in the spots they occupied in May –im The New York Times’ “The Daily” at #1, NPR’s “NPR News Now” and “First Up” at #2 and #3, respectively, NBC News’ “Dateline NBC” at #4 and Wondery’s “Morbid” at #5. FOX Audio Network’s “FOX News Hourly Update” rose one spot to the #6 rank, and Cumulus Podcast Network’s “Shawn Ryan Show” moved up seven places to finish at the #13 spot. See the complete ranker here.

Industry News

FOX News Channel Marks Another Quarter at #1

FOX News Channel announces that it finished the second quarter of 2024 as cable’s most-watched network in total day and primetime for 90 consecutive quarters according to Nielsen Media Research. FNC says it is the only network to show growth across the board versus 2023 while CNN and MSNBC both shed doubleim-digits in the key 25-54 demo. For the second quarter in a row, CNN hit a 33-year low in total day, 18-49 and 25-54 demos, delivering its smallest younger audience since 1991. In total day, FNC delivered 1,304,000 viewers, 154,000 with 25-54 demo and 96,000 with 18-49 demo, securing a 176% advantage over CNN viewers and 61% over MSNBC. In primetime from 7:00 pm to 11:00 pm, FNC saw 2,037,000 viewers, 214,000 in the 25-54 demo, and 135,000 with 18-49 demo, a 230% lead over CNN and 77% over MSNBC. FNC continued to dominate the share of the cable news audience, capturing 50% of viewers across total day and 54% of prime viewers, the highest level of share for the network since 1Q’2023.

Industry News

NOW POSTED: The State of Sports Talk Radio – A Fireside Chat with Fred Toucher

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One of the many video highlights from TALKERS 2024: Radio and Beyond – “The State of Sports Talk Radio: A Fireside Chat with Fred Toucher” – is now posted on the brand-new TALKERS MEDIA YouTube channel. The presentation took place at the 27th annual installment of the talk media industry’s longest running national gathering held at Hofstra University on Long Island this past June 7. The event, which took place at Hofstra’s Lawrence Herbert School of Communication, was presented by TALKERS in association with the university’s multi-award winning WRHU-FM/WRHU.org. It features TALKERS publisher Michael Harrison interviewing long-running Boston sports talk radio mainstay Fred Toucher, the highly-rated morning co-host of “Toucher and Hardy” (with Rob “Hardy” Poole) on WBZ-FM “98.5 the Sports Hub.”  Harrison and Toucher discuss parallels between sports talk radio and news/talk radio regarding the tendency to focus on telling listeners opinions they want hear. It also explored the pros and cons of working within a duo or team format, handling the rise of women’s basketball and the impact of sports betting as a programming element. The segment was introduced by John Fredericks, owner (and talk show host) of the rapidly growing John Fredericks Radio Network. To watch the video, please click here.

Industry Views

SABO SEZ: Leonard H. Goldenson’s Real Open Door

By Walter Sabo
CEO, Sabo Media Action Partners
A.K.A. Walter M Sterling
Host, WPHT, Philadelphia – daily
Talk Media Network – Sundays

imLeonard H. Goldenson was the founder/chairman of ABC, Inc. Before Disney, before Capital Cities, ABC was… ABC and it was run by Mr. Goldenson. He launched the ABC Radio Networks, ABC Television Network, and the original ABC radio and television stations.

His background was as a movie theatre owner. He respected the crowd, applause, creativity, art, the show. Many top talent and executives owe their start or standards to Mr. Goldenson. I worked at ABC Radio for five years when Leonard was chairman, here’s what I absorbed.

— Risk for the show. Allen Shaw and his team largely invented the album rock format and launched it on the ABC FM stations. There was no proof it would work. But it made sense. That required seven stations to dump automation and hire seven AFTRA jocks and seven IATSE engineers at each station. Note the IATSE pay scale was higher than the AFTRA scale. It didn’t go as planned. In San Francisco, the presumed success was slow to profit. WRIF, Detroit, under the leadership of Willard Lochridge, slam dunk. Leonard didn’t blink. Imagine.

— ABC was caught up in the payola scandals in the early 1960s. Alan Freed was a jock on WABC. After the Congressional hearings, Goldenson said never again and vowed to sell the radio stations. WXYZ GM, Hal Neal went to the chairman and said, “Let me run them and I will clean them up.”  He did. Without mercy. Leonard kept them and the ABC AM/FM stations became legend. Imagine.

— Leonard had the heart of an artist. He painted. Every year, at the holidays, a beautiful book of his art was distributed to all employees with an essay written by Leonard sharing his thoughts and feelings about each work. We had a glimpse of his soul. Imagine.

The door was always open for talent. On-air talent could visit Mr. Goldenson without an appointment at any time. WPLJ morning star, Jim Kerr would regularly ride to the 40th floor and sit in Leonard’s office to chat. Imagine.

— At an executive conference, he got up early and started to leave. Being a smartass, I looked at him and asked why was he sneaking out? He explained that ABC was opening a movie that afternoon and he wanted to stand outside a theater and ask audience members how they liked his movie. That was his research. Imagine.

— When WABC-AM switched from music to talk, the plan called for profit in year 10. It took 11. Imagine

— Leonard Goldenson flew commercial, coach. Imagine.

Walter Sabo has been a C Suite action partner for companies such as SiriusXM, Hearst, Press Broadcasting, Gannett, RKO General and many other leading media outlets. His company HITVIEWS, in 2007, was the first to identify and monetize video influencers.. His nightly show “Walter Sterling at Night” is heard on WPHT, Philadelphia. His syndicated show, “Sterling On Sunday,” from Talk Media Network, airs 10:00 pm-1:00 am ET, now in its 10th year of success.

He can be reached by email at sabowalter@gmail.com.

Industry News

Mark Levin Extends Relationship with Cumulus Media

Cumulus Media and talk radio host Mark Levin extend their deal for Levin to continue hosting both his syndicated radio program on Westwood One and his podcast, “Mark Levin Audio Rewind,” on the Cumulusim Podcast Network for multiple years. Additionally, Levin will also develop and host an all-new show for the network, his first ever original content podcast series. Levin’s radio show airs live from 6:00 pm to 9:00 pm nightly on close to 400 affiliate stations. He says, “This has been my radio home for 23 years, and I am more excited than ever – especially during these tumultuous and historic times – to continue my relationship with my first-rate broadcast partners for many years to come. I understand my obligation is to serve the millions of patriotic Americans in the audience. I am blessed to do what I do, and I am committed every day to providing detailed analyses of current events along with historic context, commentary, and my in-depth perspectives to deliver the very best broadcasting I am able to share with our many listeners.”

Industry Views

Monday Memo: Be Like Mike

By Holland Cooke
Consultant

imRemember the old Gatorade commercial? The “Be like Mike” jingle accompanied a montage of gravity-defying Michael Jordan dunks.

If you’ve heard Mike Hulvey speak, you know his birthday and blood type, because he told you, in his enthused trademark close: “March 4th and B positive!”

Before he recently hit-the-ground-running as Radio Advertising Bureau CEO and president, Mike was my longtime client when he ran Neuhoff Media. I consulted his news/talk/sports WSOY, Decatur and trained news people at other stations in the group. And the company’s “Media Made Locally” mantra was more than a slogan: “Nothing makes us happier than knowing that while our big corporate competitors are abandoning all the things we think make local media special – we’re doubling down.”

With broadcasters now so challenged by non-AM/FM audio competitors – and coping with cost cuts – the “Core Values” that clicked in these small Midwest markets seem like a prescription for stations everywhere:

1. Grit: “Stick with it.”
2. Community: “Give back.”
3. Innovation: “Think different.”
4. Excellence: “Be exceptional.”

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In too many places now, a legacy call letter station is referred to as “the AM” within multi-station clusters and is bundled with music stations’ inventory… not the best sales model in Mike’s estimation: “The news/talk format offers endless opportunities to local clients.” Offered properly, these stations have “unique attributes and programming that lend itself to customize sponsorship and marketing extensions in any size market;” with otherwise “hidden gems that create opportunities for naming rights inside local sports and benchmark sponsorships as the local expert,” creating what he calls “lean-in listening that benefits advertisers.”

Live-N-local 24/7 seems quaint now, so we leverage imported programming, to make it sound more like part of the station’s own on-air family, rather than sounding like we’re an affiliate plugged-into the bird. The day Mike first introduced me at WSOY, I told the morning host: “We’ve got to get your voice in Rush Limbaugh and the Cardinals games more.”

Back to the future: With Monday-Friday syndicated talk programming mostly political, I asked Mike, “Could the sort of non-political shows that were such weekday winners for the late-great KGO and Buckley-owned WOR make a comeback?” His take: “I say yes. I believe that great locally targeted content is still a winning formula of success. While we as consumers have more choices than ever, we still crave information about where we live, work, and raise our families. While national political content has a very loud voice in the market, listeners appreciate those locally ‘world famous’ voices from where they live.”

Evidence, from the vault: 2-minute video, Mike explaining how winning radio is a relationship: https://youtu.be/wcsqrN7R7Ic

Holland Cooke (HollandCooke.com) is a consultant working the intersection of broadcasting and the Internet. He is the author of The Local Radio Advantage: Your 4-Week Tune-In Tune-Up and “Close Like Crazy: Local Direct Leads, Pitches & Specs That Earned the Benjamins” and “Confidential: Negotiation Checklist for Weekend Talk Radio.” Follow HC on Twitter @HollandCooke and connect on LinkedIn.

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The new podcast “Beyond The Scalpel,” hosted by the Dr. Elie Levine and Dr. Jody Levine of Plastic Surgery & Dermatology of NYC premieres. The podcast explores the newest techniques and technologies revolutionizing plastic surgery and dermatology. It also presents factual information that dispels common misconceptions in the industry. Dr. Elie Levine says, “This program will offer listeners a tremendous amount of insight into the large number of cosmetic surgeries available. We’re presenting perspectives that will inform and empower individuals.”

Mentoring and Inspiring Women in Radio, Inc announces that Jessica Williams, national adult contemporary host and community outreach director for Townsquare Media Rochester, Minnesota as Speak Up’s 2024 mentee. Created in partnership with Media Staffing Network and Laurie Kahn before her passing, Speak Up! is a one-year program designed for one mentee from any department in a small to medium radio market. The program is designed to encapsulate so much of what Kahn brought to the industry – a mentorship that encourages and empowers women to develop confidence and sharpen communication skills – to hone the ability to effectively speak up in order to further attain her goals.

WYPR, Baltimore announces the appointment of Marquis Lupton as the new local host of “All Things Considered.” Lupton takes on his new role starting July 10, bringing his wealth of experience and dynamic storytelling to the Baltimore airwaves every weekday from 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm. Lupton joins WYPR from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where he previously hosted at public radio station WITF.

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TALKERS 2024: Radio and Beyond Glenn Beck Keynote Address Video Posted

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One of the highlights of TALKERS 2024: Radio and Beyond – Premiere Networks syndicated star Glenn Beck’s keynote address – is now posted on the brand-new TALKERS MEDIA YouTube channel. The speech took place at the 27th annual installment of the talk media industry’s longest running, and most important national gathering held at Hofstra University on Long Island this past June 7.  The event was held at Hofstra’s Lawrence Herbert School of Communication presented by TALKERS in association with the university’s multi-award winning WRHU-FM/WRHU.org. Beck, who spoke for approximately 20 minutes, discussed the importance of storytelling in attracting and maintaining an audience within the multifaceted talk media paradigm. He went beyond that, however, delving into the importance of authenticity on the part of the talent in developing a lasting relationship built on trust with the audience. He was candid about his own personal life struggles over the years coming to that conclusion telling the audience that, although flawed, he tries to be a better person every day and that helps him be a better talk show host. Beck also discussed the negative impact of massive cutbacks on the product provided by radio due to its economic struggles imploring the powers-that-be in the business do whatever is possible to bring this medium into the future. TALKERS founder Michael Harrison stated, “This address was classic Beck – his performance on face value was as instructive as the important messages it conveyed.” To watch the video, please click here.

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KFNS-AM, St. Louis Drops Local Talent; Will Air FOX Sports Radio

The media reports from St. Louis indicate that sports talk KFNS-AM, St. Louis owner and general manager Dave Zobrist has let his local staff of sports talk hosts go and will begin airing FOX Sports Radio content beginning Monday (7/1). Premiere Networks is announcing that the station is its newest affiliate today.im Zobrist tells the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the change is financial in nature as he is actively seeking a buyer for the station. Leaving KFNS-AM are morning hosts Cam Janssen, Charlie Marlow, and Jim Hayes; late morning host Frank Cusumano, and afternoon personalities Nate Lucas and Bernie Miklasz. In the FOX Sports Radio press release, Zobrist says, “We’re excited to expand our partnership with FOX Sports Radio to bring the biggest names in the sports talk format to St. Louis. Broadcasting FOX Sports Radio’s lineup, along with local play-by-play, will continue our commitment to delivering bold, exciting and entertaining sports talk to our listeners.”

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Newsmax’s Rob Carson Adds New Affiliate Stations

Newsmax Radio’s “Rob Carson Show” adds new affiliate station KQPN-AM, Memphis – which is now part of imthe John Fredericks Radio Network. Carson’s show airs in the 12:00 noon to 3:00 pm daypart. Additionally, Jeri Lyn Broadcasting’s KHTS-AM, Santa Clarita, California picks up the weekend edition of the “Rob Carson Show” for broadcast Saturdays at 3:00 pm.

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Michael Harrison Embarks Upon “Obsolete Slobs” Media Tour in Support of Provocative New Music Video

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Now that the TALKERS 2024: Radio and Beyond conference is in the history books, TALKERS founder (and Gunhill Road member) Michael Harrison has embarked upon what is being called the Summer of ‘24 “Obsolete Slobs” media tour in support of the perennial rock group’s latest music video endeavor. Gunhill Road, the ensemble that has been creating multi-genre rock and pop music spanning more than five decades, has released a breathtaking new song and video titled, “Artificial Intelligence (No Robots Were Injured in the Production of this Song).” The piece – which is an unapologetic examination of the potential consequences AI poses to current human civilization – is an advance release from the band’s forthcoming fifth album. Gunhill Road has developed a unique niche in recent years attracting hundreds of thousands of internet followers powered, in large part, by the attention and airplay given it on talk radio. New songs by the group typically debut on multiple radio talk shows sparking conversation about today’s pressing topics of news and social concern. The compositions feature clever, biting lyrics delivered in a highly musical and original way. The band consists of co-founding member/pianist/vocalist/songwriter Steve Goldrich, longtime guitarist/vocalist/songwriter Paul Reisch, noted Broadway theater instrumentalist/guitarist/vocalist/songwriter Brian Koonin, and vocalist/songwriter Michael Harrison. (Harrison co-wrote this song and performs lead vocals.) This production features a special guest vocal appearance by recording artist Bibi Farber, daughter of the late talk radio pioneer, Barry Farber. The visually stunning video for “Artificial Intelligence (No Robots Were Injured in the Production of this Song)” which, ironically, employs generative AI for many of its remarkable images, was produced by Matthew B. Harrison. The song, an infectious rocker marked by driving guitars, riveting keyboards, soaring horns and a multi-layered group chorus depicts the dangers human civilization faces in an increasingly uncertain environment marked by the rising corruption of deep fakes and manipulative algorithms that threaten elections and question the very premise of “self-evident” truths. It ultimately asks the question, “What does it mean to be human?” Check out the video here. To arrange a talk media interview with Michael Harrison to discuss the song and its implications, email info@talkers.com or call 413-565-5413.

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Red Apple Syndicates James Golden Weekend Show

Former Rush Limbaugh producer James Golden, a.k.a. Bo Snerdley, is being syndicated by Red Apple Audio Networks. The WABC, New York-based program “The James Golden Show” airs Saturdays from 7:00im am to 10:00 am with “news, interviews, and entertainment, with a relaxed vibe that listeners want on weekends.” Red Apple chief John Catsimatidis states, “Presenting listeners with captivating, interesting programming and big-name hosts always wins, and we have seen proof of that with our growing weekend audience. Our listeners on WABC Radio have gravitated towards the interesting programs we deliver on weekends, including ‘The James Golden Show’ on Saturday mornings.”

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BFoA Golf Tourney Set for September 9

The Broadcasters Foundation of America is holding its annual Celebrity Golf Tournament and Fundraiser on September 9 at the Siwanoy Country Club in Bronxville, New York. Leo MacCourtney, president and CEO of Katz Television Group and vice chair and treasurer of the BFOA board of directors, will serve as the 2024im Celebrity Golf Chair. This year, the Broadcasters Foundation will debut The BFOA Pickleball Challenge, which will take place from 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm, followed by cocktails and dinner. The Pickleball Challenge is designed to give junior-level broadcast professionals the opportunity to network with their peers and executives, learn more about the Foundation’s charitable purpose, and have fun. MacCourtney states, “The Celebrity Golf Tournament is the second largest Fundraiser for the Broadcasters Foundation. The funds we raise are essential to continuing the Foundation’s mission. Requests for aid continue to escalate and we must be there to help every broadcaster who qualifies.” Get more info on the events here.

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ESPN Chicago Announces Third Annual Football Fest Event

Good Karma Brands’ WMVP-AM “ESPN Chicago” is presenting the third annual “Football Fest” at the Hard Rock Casino Northern Indiana on August 25. GKB says, “The highly anticipated event, now in its third year, is back with even more excitement, special guests, and unique experiences for fans. We are thrilled toim welcome back ESPN NFL insiders Adam Schefter and Field Yates, who will be sharing their expert insights and engaging with fans throughout the event.” ESPN Chicago director of content Danny Zederman states, “‘Football Fest’ is the unofficial kickoff of the NFL season, and I am excited about this year’s fest, from the stars we’ll have in the room to the show we have planned. We listened to fan feedback, and we’ve added new ways for fans to interact with their favorite ESPN Chicago and Bears Radio Network personalities, as well as a live onstage version of our fan-favorite, unfiltered podcast ‘Crosstalk Unhinged’ with Carm, Jurko, Waddle, and Silvy.”

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Nationally Syndicated Jock Tom Kent Passes at 69

Programmer, radio DJ, and independent syndicator Tom Kent died on Monday (6/24) after a two-year battle with cancer. Kent worked his entire career in music radio – mostly as a CHR jock – but his success in the CHR genre was admired by many talk radio personalities. He led the Tom Kent Radio Network for which he hosted and produced syndicated daily, weekend and, 24/7 programming each week on approximately 600im stations mostly for classic hits and adult contemporary music formats. Prior to syndication, Kent worked on the air and in programming at legendary Top 40 stations including WLS, Chicago; KLIF & KFJZ Dallas-Ft Worth; WIBG Philadelphia and more. On the passing of Tom Kent, TALKERS founder Michael Harrison states, “He was a quintessential practitioner of one of America’s great forms of audio art – top 40 radio.  The disc jockey, in that now almost completely extinct genre, was a uniquely specialized vocal performer akin to being a singer or musical instrument deftly inserted within the hyper-dynamic backdrop of a symphony known as a radio format. Art Vuolo’s video captures not only the superb talent possessed by Kent in executing this amazing audio choreography – but amply displays his passion for excellence and behind-the-scenes pride. When Kent seamlessly hits the posts on driving rock intros of songs with which he is intimately familiar and pumps his fist with glee when pulling it off, it unleashes an adrenaline rush similar to a pro basketball star landing a slam dunk and swinging that extra second from the rim. See the tribute video created by Voulo Video’s Art Vuolo here.

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WGAE and iHeart Reach Collective Bargaining Agreement

Writers Guild of America East (WGAE) members at iHeart Podcast Network ratified their first collective bargaining agreement. The 100-member bargaining unit overwhelmingly ratified a three-year contract that came after more than two years of negotiations. Included in the CBA are: A minimum starting salary ofim $63,000 for unit members in New York or Los Angeles and  $58,000 for members in other locations; Annual minimum salary increases of 3% in the first year of the contract, and 2% in the second and third year of the contract; Continued 401(k) match, after the company cut the match for non-union employees; and the right to bargain over any implementation of artificial intelligence (AI) in the workplace. In a statement, the iHeart Podcast Network’s bargaining unit states, “We are incredibly proud to announce the ratification of our first contract. After two long years of bargaining, we’ve landed on a contract that we feel greatly improves our working and everyday lives. We are excited to begin life under a union contract and to continue to advocate for our entire unit.”