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SABO SEZ: Prescience from the Past

By Walter Sabo
a.k.a. Walter Sterling, Host
WPHT, Philadelphia, “Walter Sterling Every Damn Night”
TMN syndicated, “Sterling on Sunday”

imgHave you noticed a profile pattern for the mass shooters and political assassins? 20-30 years old. Living at home or close.

Here’s a deep dive, highly predictive profile that was written by a true radio GREAT:

“He’s a crown prince as a teenager. A crown prince when he suddenly finds his crown gone and he’s just a commoner and he must enter the next stage of life – well I’ll tell you what happens:  He generally doesn’t, that’s why you have a new generation of guys who have not taken on family or familiar responsibilities.

They are not about to give up the Crown Prince role and so we have a whole new generation of porn readers who will forever and ever and ever be catered to, and they get to the point where they cater to themselves. Many of them never grow up.

There is more than one guy who is 30 years old today who is totally, completely being supported by his mother and father. And as a matter of course, because he is after all a Crown Prince and a Crown Prince has prerogatives and one of them is to live off the family larder, he will continue to do this throughout most of his life.

This is a very new thing in America, and I say we have not seen the end of it. We’ve only seen the very beginning of it now. He who is really searching for identity.

I’m gonna make a suggestion here. I will suggest that this man is a dangerous man. Any man who has been suppressed, any man who has lost identity is a man who is prone to take up with wild, divergent, and often quite dangerous and irrational political crusades merrily to give himself his own identity, something, some charge that he can ride on.”

Jean Shepherd
WOR Radio Star
Author, A Christmas Story
from audiobook, LIFE IS, 1965

Walter Sabo has been a C Suite action partner for companies such as SiriusXM, Hearst, Press Broadcasting, Gannett, RKO General and many other leading media outlets. His company HITVIEWS, in 2007, was the first to identify and monetize video influencers.. His nightly show “Walter Sterling Every Damn Night” is heard on WPHT, Philadelphia. His syndicated show, “Sterling On Sunday,” from Talk Media Network, airs 10:00 pm-1:00 am ET, and is now in its 10th year of success. He can be reached by email at sabowalter@gmail.com.

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WURD, Philadelphia Announces Founder’s Day Gala

Urban talk WURD, Philadelphia is preparing to celebrate its annual Founder’s Day Gala on Friday, October 3, at the Fairmount Park Horticulture Center, from 6:00 pm to 10:00 pm. The evening will include a tribute to WURD founder, Walter P. Lomax Jr., M.D., live music and entertainment, a dance party, the presentation of Community Impact Awards, and the officialimg launch of Freedom Journeys, a new multimedia storytelling initiative celebrating pivotal figures in Philadelphia’s past and present.  Freedom Journeys, created in partnership with Renee Chenault Fattah and Love Now Media, will highlight 250 iconic Black Philadelphians — living and deceased — whose lives and work have helped shape the city. WURD president and CEO Sara M. Lomax says, “Founder’s Day will be a wonderful evening in a beautiful setting — where we will celebrate my father’s life and legacy, have great food, amazing live music and soul-filling affirmations of our culture. But we also aren’t going to shy away from what’s happening in this country. WURD has never done that, and this year’s Freedom Journeys is both celebration and resistance.”

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Edison: AM/FM Listening Highest in Rural America

Edison Research data indicates that while among all Americans 13+, 38% of time is spent listening to audio on a mobile device, and 30% of time is spent listening to audio on an AM/FM radio receiver, when it comes to rural Americans, AM/FM is just as important. Edison says thatimg the popularity of mobile devices for audio listening is the most dominant in urban communities. Within that audience segment, 40% of time is spent listening to audio on a mobile device, vs. 28% of time spent listening on an AM/FM radio receiver. The mobile device also holds a strong lead in suburban communities, with 36% of time spent listening on that device compared to 30% of time on a radio receiver. However, the radio receiver is strongest in rural communities where it matches the listening time of the mobile device, each receiving 34%.

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Vintage Cable News/Talk Video Documents Early Hannity Performance

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A fascinating example of early cable news/talk television history has been posted today (9/22) on the TALKERS MEDIA YouTube channel series “Up Close Far Out with Michael Harrison.” The episode presents key segments from a vintage program that served as one of the forerunners of modern cable news/talk television. This particular installment preserves what was likely the first documented appearance of Sean Hannity hosting a national network cable television program. The series, titled “Talk Live,” ran for several years in the mid-1990s on CNBC. It covered news and politics, as well as a wider scope of popular culture including arts & entertainment. Not only did it feature an array of guest panelists, but it also showcased a variety of guest hosts. Several of them were drawn from the ranks of radio. Talk radio was the hot new thing in the exploding world of interactive post-fairness doctrine media at the time and television executives were trying to identify hosting candidates from radio to make the transition from audio to video. This particular installment was spearheaded by media impresario Roger Ailes, who went on to form the FOX News Channel. It originally ran 31 years ago, on October 15, 1994, and holds particular interest for students and fans of talk media history. Hannity was, at the time, a rising star as a local host on WGST in Atlanta and was most likely being scouted by Ailes for consideration as a TV host for his forthcoming projects. The episode also featured a noteworthy panel booked by then-CNBC producer Vicky Pomerance that included the late radio talk show legend Bob Grant, then of WABC, New York; international talk media mainstay Victoria Jones, then of WWRC, Washington, DC (currently executive director of PR firm, the DC Radio Company); and TALKERS publisher Michael Harrison. Their conversation delivers fascinating retrospective insight into the issues surrounding the burgeoning talk radio medium, circa the mid-1990s, such as the Fairness Doctrine, as well as the growing rift between liberals and conservatives, and the public’s growing disillusionment with the legacy media and political establishment. Looking back at the video, Harrison states, “Watching his performance more than three decades ago, it was evident that Sean was a natural for the medium – displaying remarkable looks, poise, knowledge and glibness that would serve him well as he went on to become a top-rated, long-running superstar at FOX News Channel and one of the most successful radio talk show hosts of all time.” Check out the video by clicking here.

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Audacy and MOGL Partner for NIL Sports Marketing

Audacy announces a new strategic partnership with MOGL, an athlete influencer technology platform, that will allow it to integrate NIL sponsorships into its sports audio portfolio. Audacy says the collaboration is designed to “give brands streamlined access to college athleteimg influencers while enhancing Audacy’s cross-platform marketing capabilities.” Audacy says MOGL’s AI-powered matching system allows brands to quickly connect with athletes whose profiles align with campaign goals. Audacy chief revenue officer Bob Philips says, “Sports is where Audacy wins and sports media is evolving beyond traditional boundaries. This partnership with MOGL is a testament to our commitment to innovation, providing a powerful content-driven approach that benefits athletes, schools, and our advertising partners. Together, we’ll empower our clients to deliver authentic, high-impact campaigns that resonate with today’s fans and drive measurable brand outcomes.”

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TALKERS News Notes

Petrowich Joins WYPR. Baltimore Public Media’s WYPR announces that journalist Sarah Petrowich joins the organization’s news team. She previously served with Delaware Public Media. BPM chief of content Danyell Irby says, “It is more crucial now than ever that we continue to hold public officials accountable and provide in-depth reporting on decisions made in Annapolis that affect our daily lives. I am excited that Sarah will bring that needed journalism excellence and ethical reporting to the WYPR news team.”

WJCT Brings Back Health Show. WJCT Public Media in Jacksonville, Florida is brining its flagship health program and podcast “What’s Health Got To Do With It?” back for a fifth season, beginning September 27. The show, hosted by Dr. Joe Sirven, airs on WMFE, Orlando; WMFV, The Villages; WGCU, Fort Myers; WUFT, Gainesville; and WQCS, Treasure Coast.

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Hulvey and Oliviero Join BFoA Board

imgimgThe Broadcasters Foundation of America announces that Mike Hulvey, president and chiefexecutive officer of the Radio Advertising Bureau, and Chris Oliviero, chief business officer of Audacy, are elected its board of directors. BFoA chairman Scott Herman says, “Mike and Chris each bring unique experience to our board. As head of the RAB, Mike interacts with radio groups of all sizes across the country and can help ensure those broadcasters are aware of our charitable mission should a colleague be in need. Chris is a respected executive, with roots in radio’s biggest companies and in major markets and can help spread our message of hope to that sector of the industry. We are grateful that they have committed their time, knowledge, and expertise to our cause.”

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Skyview Promotes Two to Directors

Skyview Networks promotes two to director positions within its finance and business development/communications departments. Ethan Aragon is named senior executive director,img insights. Aragon joined Skyview in 2014, and Skyview says he has “built a reputation among his colleagues and our clients as a highly analytical contributor, whose insights support the sales team, our advertisers, and our networks.” At the same time, Heather Baumanis is promoted to executive director, business development and communications. In this role, she’ll support Skyview’s business portfolio of sports partnerships and maintain and contribute to new and existing client relationships while leading the company’s internal, external, and corporate branding initiatives.

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TALKERS News Notes

RTDNA Names Emcees for Murrow Awards Ceremony. The Radio Television Digital News Association announces the emcees for the 2025 Edward R. Murrow Awards Gala will be Adriana Diaz of “CBS Mornings Plus,” José Díaz-Balart of “NBC Nightly News,” Steve Inskeep of NPR, Donie O’Sullivan of CNN, Deborah Roberts of ABC News, and Yasmin Vossoughian of NBC News. The Murrow Awards Gala will be held October13 at Gotham Hall in New York City. RTDNA president Dan Shelley says, “These outstanding journalists are perfect choices to bestow one of the most prestigious journalism awards on this year’s deserving national Edward R. Murrow Award winners. Each embodies Murrow’s admonition to serve the public by seeking to report the truth, something particularly necessary in our current times.”

Deadline for LAUNCH Mentorship is 9/29. Mentoring and Inspiring Women in Radio, Inc and the National Association of Broadcasters Leadership Foundation remind candidates there is one week left to apply for the 2025 LAUNCH Mentorship Program for emerging female talent in radio with a focus on engineering, audio production, and technical operations. The year-long mentorship pairs a rising professional with a seasoned industry leader for one-on-one coaching and deep exposure to the technical side of broadcasting. The deadline is September 29.  You can apply here.

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Politicians Address FCC Chair Carr’s Kimmel Comments

imgDemocrats in Congress have lashed out at FCC Chairman Brendan Carr for his statements about ABC/Disney and Jimmy Kimmel’s Charlie Kirk bit that got Kimmel suspended from “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” Last week, Carr appeared on the Benny Johnson podcast and called Kimmel’s statements “some of the sickest conduct possible” and added, “This is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney… We can do this the easy way or the hard way.” ABC/Disney has television affiliates owned by both Nexstar and Sinclair, which objected to Kimmel’s comments and threatened to pull Kimmel’s show from the air. Nexstar has a $6.2 billion imgmerger with Tegna in the works and needs FCC approval and critics of Carr’s comments are calling him out for appearing to threaten ABC. Republican Senator Ted Cruz, on his Premiere Networks podcast ‘The Verdict,’ disagreed with Carr saying, “Let me tell you if the government gets in the business of saying, ‘We don’t like what you the media says. We’re going to ban you from the airwaves if you don’t say what we like.’ That will end up bad for conservatives.” President Trump – who’s publicly mused about investigating his media critics – weighed in after being asked about Cruz’s response by saying, “I think Brendan Carr’s a courageous person. I think Brendan Carr doesn’t like to see the airwaves be used illegal and incorrectly and purposefully horribly.”

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LeGeyt Issues Strong First Amendment Defense

National Association of Broadcasters president and CEO Curtis LeGeyt issued a statement on Saturday (9/21) addressing the First Amendment in light of the Jimmy Kimmel suspension controversy. He stated, in part, “Let me first state affirmatively that broadcasters must be able to make decisions about the content onimg our airwaves free from government influence. The First Amendment affords our stations – and all Americans – this fundamental right, and the mere perception that broadcasters acted because of undue pressure is a problem for our credibility and the trust we have built with our audiences.

“Unfortunately, government pressure on media to cover events in a particular way is not new and it has come from both political parties. During the Obama administration, journalists decried the use of the Espionage Act to investigate reporters and demand their confidential sources. Under the Biden administration, reporters faced growing barriers to access, and local affiliate stations were targeted based on the actions of cable news networks. Today, we continue to see veiled threats suggesting broadcasters should be penalized for airing content that is contrary to a particular point of view.

“These attempts were wrong then, and they are wrong now.

“The First Amendment makes clear that broadcasters – not the government – bear the responsibility for editorial decisions. Local radio and television stations take this obligation seriously, working every day to reflect the unique and diverse needs of our communities, especially on sensitive issues. This is what makes local stations the most trusted sources of information. Ultimately, broadcasters are accountable to the viewers and listeners we serve.” See his full comments here.

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Sunset Provision at Issue for AM Radio Act

Now that the “AM Radio for Every Vehicle Act” passed a full committee markup on a 50-1 vote and is headed to the full House, supporters of the Act are urging that the Senate version be the one to become law. Theimg House version contains an eight-year sunset provision on the law requiring all cars manufactured in the U.S. to have an AM radio at no extra cost. The Senate version has no sunset provision. WABC, New York owner John Catsimatidis has been very vocal supporting the bill without the sunset provision. “77WABC and all AM radio stations across the country provide life-saving information and emergency alerts to the public. While the committee’s action may be a step forward, a ridiculous last-minute change sunsets the law in eight years. AM is the backbone of the emergency alert system and tornados, hurricanes, and other disasters won’t go away.”

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Monday Memo: Boo!

By Holland Cooke
Consultant

imgDon’t let Halloween sneak-up on you. The only holiday Americans spend more for is Christmas. So – to seem more in-touch than your robotic and/or non-local audio competitors – plan something spook-tacular.

DJs will play all the occasion-pertinent songs, good bumpers if you’re a talker. For you, the living, this mash was meant too.

— Do an event? A “safe space” parents can bring costumed kiddos? Maybe to benefit a local charity?

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— Or a grown-ups-only party? 😉Sell a sponsorship. Try a big-box liquor store; or if your bash is at a bar, they might line-up a booze brand from the distributor.
— Costume suggestions? In years past, this has been a productive call-in topic. With family budgets tight now, those pop-up costume stores are less-affordable to some; and many funsters are imagination-challenged. Back when we “went to the movies,” Harry Potter-level characters were more obvious.
— Sell Halloween Safety Tips, PSA-sounding commercials. It’s a low-price way to give new advertisers a taste, and another way for existing advertisers to show-up.

Copy points:

1. Make sure costume masks don’t block your kids’ vision.
2. Go out early, stay in groups.
3. Warn young boys & ghouls not to run into the street from between parked cars.
4. Stick with well-lit streets in your neighborhood.
5. Give young trick-or-treaters flashlights.
6. Stay on sidewalks or walk facing traffic.
7. Tell children not to eat anything before getting home, so you can inspect goodies.

Holland Cooke (HollandCooke.com) is a media consultant working at the intersection of broadcasting and the Internet. Follow HC on Twitter @HollandCooke

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WTOP Reporter Jeff Clabaugh Dies at 63

imgWTOP, Washington is announcing that its business reporter Jeff Clabaugh died last Thursday at the age of 63 after a yearlong battle with cancer. WTOP says that Clabaugh, “whose steady-paced voiceconversationally delivered money news to the D.C. region for three decades,” was “a master of consumer business news” who “gave reports twice an hour on WTOP’s airwaves and wrote punchy, popular stories for WTOP.com.” WTOP director of news and programming Julia Ziegler wrote to the staff, “Jeff Clabaugh made WTOP’s Business Reports what they are today. His work ethic was incredible. And his voice was so smooth. He was one of the best storytellers in the WTOP newsroom.” Read the WTOP story here.

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FCC’s Gomez Cries Foul Over Commission’s Role in Kimmel Suspension

imgFederal Communications Commissioner Anna M. Gomez issued a statement criticizing the Commission’s threats against ABC that, in part, led to the suspension of the “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” program. Her statement is as follows: “We cannot allow an inexcusable act of political violence to be twisted into ajustification for government censorship and control. First, an ABC reporter was told that his coverage amounted to hate speech and that he should be prosecuted simply for doing his job. Then, the FCC threatened to go after this same network, seizing on a late-night comedian’s inopportune joke as a pretext to punish speech it disliked. That led to a shameful show of cowardly corporate capitulation by ABC that has put the foundation of the First Amendment in danger.

“This FCC does not have the authority, the ability, or the constitutional right to police content or punish broadcasters for speech the government dislikes. If it were to take the unprecedented step of trying to revoke broadcast licenses, which are held by local stations rather than national networks, it would run headlong into the First Amendment and fail in court on both the facts and the law. But even the threat to revoke a license is no small matter. It poses an existential risk to a broadcaster, which by definition cannot exist without its license. That makes billion-dollar companies with pending business before the agency all the more vulnerable to pressure to bend to the government’s ideological demands.

“When corporations surrender in the face of that pressure, they endanger not just themselves, but the right to free expression for everyone in this country. The duty to defend the First Amendment does not rest with government, but with all of us. Free speech is the foundation of our democracy, and we must push back against any attempt to erode it.”

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KYW, Philadelphia Celebrates 60 Years as News Outlet

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Audacy’s KYW Newsradio celebrated its 60th anniversary at Philadelphia’s Bellevue Hotel on September 17. The event was a highlight of the station’s year-long celebrations, including events and on-air programs throughout 2025. The company says the gala marks six decades since the station adopted its all-news format in September 1965 and honors KYW’s enduring legacy as a trusted source for breaking news, traffic, weather and local service journalism. Audacy SVP and market manager David Yadgaroff says, “This celebration is the perfect opportunity to bring together the people who have made KYW Newsradio what it is today – clients, partners, community leaders, station friends, staff and alumni. When you’re a part of an institution that has been the constant voice of a city for six decades, you feel the weight and honor of that history every day. It’s a tribute to all those who have contributed to the station, devoted their lives to telling the story of the Delaware Valley, and built the trust we hold with our community.”

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FOX Announces Kirk Memorial Coverage

FOX News Media says it will present extensive, multiplatform live programming of Sunday’s memorial service for Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk.  FOX News Channel will present a special edition ofimg “FOX & Friends Weekend” with Rachel Campos-Duffy, Charlie Hurt and Griff Jenkins hosting live outside State Farm Stadium. Maria Bartiromo will anchor “Sunday Morning Futures” from the same location. “Saturday in America” host and co-host of “Outnumbered” Kayleigh McEnany and “FOX & Friends” co-host Lawrence Jones will present live special coverage of the memorial proceedings.

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Megyn Kelly Calls Out FOX Over Charlie Kirk

The murder of Charlie Kirk has spawned a lot of storylines, not the least of which are the issues of freedom of speech and political violence. But it is also seeing conservative media figures fight among themselves. Onimg her SiriusXM podcast, former FOX News Channel star Megyn Kelly criticized FOX for, as she calls it, talking like he was theirs. “It’s really bothering me how FOX News is talking about Charlie, like he was theirs — he wasn’t. It’s a lie. Just stop.” Kelly accuses FOX of making Kirk persona non grata after the company fired Tucker Carlson because Kirk was supportive of Carlson. The story from Newsmax adds that “Kirk appeared to be completely absent from FOX News in 2023 after Carlson’s firing and early 2024 – though Kelly claimed the network would give him brief appearances to cover for their effective ban.” The Newsmax piece goes on to quote Kirk on the matter. “Since Tucker’s departure, I haven’t been on. And so we had to do an event without FOX. And that was a great thing, man, because sometimes desperation is the mother of innovation, right?” Read the Newsmax story here.

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“98.9 WORD” to Present Republican Candidates Debate

Audacy’s WYRD, Greenville, South Carolina “News/Talk 98.9 WORD” is partnering with the Fourth District Republican Club to host a candidates debate on October 16. The three Republican candidates for the Southing Carolina Senate District 12 seat – Justin Bradley, Lee Bright and Hope Blackley – will take part in the 90-minute debate in which WORD hosts Joey Hudson and Bill Frady will moderate the debate. Audacy South Carolina operations manager Mark Hendrix says, “This debate will give our listeners and the community a chance to hear directly from the candidates, understand their positions, and make informed decisions as election day approaches.”

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Adam Carolla Podcast Marks 4,000th Episode

PodcastOne announces that “The Adam Carolla Show” hit the 4000th episode milestone with more than 700 million downloads since the show launched in 2009.  PodcastOne president Kit Gray says, “PodcastOne is proud to be the home of the hardest working host in podcasting. Since the dawn of our genre, Adam Carolla has never failed to deliver thought provoking and entertaining daily content. Celebrating 4,000 episodes is an achievement that we applaud and that confirms Adam’s place as a leader in podcasting.”

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Kirk Slaying Pushes First Amendment into Spotlight in Talk Media Industry

The aftermath of the killing of Charlie Kirk last week has made the First Amendment an issue being discussed not only by the public but also one hitting home for talk media practitioners. Wednesday’s suspension of the “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” program by ABC/Disney after television giants Sinclair Broadcast Group and Nexstar Media Group complained about Kimmel’s comments on Kirk’s death and said they would stop carrying the show dominated the news cycle. While FCC Chairman Brendan Carr stated at the POLITICO AI & Tech Summit that the FCC should not be investigating social media posts celebrating Kirk’s slaying, saying, “I think you can draw a pretty clear line, and the Supreme Court has done this for decades, that our First Amendment, our free speech tradition, protects almost all speech,” his statement comes not long after Attorney General Pam Bondi suggested her office should be investigating hate speech, infuriating many conservatives who outright reject the concept of hate speech. ABC/Disney’s decision to air or not air the Kimmel program is not an infringement of Kimmel’s First Amendment rights but both Sinclair and Nexstar have mergers or acquisitions before federal bodies – including the FCC – and some critics of the Kimmel suspension note that the Trump administration will consider Kimmel’s ouster a “friendly” move. It is also worth noting that FCC Chairman Carr appeared on the Benny Johnson podcast and called Kimmel’s statements “some of the sickest conduct possible” and added, “This is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney… We can do this the easy way or the hard way.” Finally, there are those who are pointing out that Charlie Kirk was an adamant supporter of the First Amendment who would disagree with the calls to suppress free speech – even callous speech mocking his own death.

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Civic Media Announces Executive Promotions

Civic Media announces the restructuring of its leadership. CEO Sage Weil announces that former VP of operations Kory Hartman is promoted to chief operating officer in which he’ll oversee day-to-day operations across Civic Media’s expanding footprint. At the same time, Chris Moreau is named president, Southernimg Region and Darla Isham is appointed vice president, Northern Region. Other excutive appointments include Aaron Carreno as SVP of product; John Scott as VP of marketing, and Drew Smith as VP of technology. Weil comments, “This leadership restructuring reflects our commitment to providing exceptional service to our listeners and communities across our coverage areas. Each of these executives brings deep experience and a passion for local broadcasting that aligns perfectly with our mission to serve as the voice of our communities.”

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“The World of Phil Hendrie” Joins iHeartPodcasts

Premiere Networks and radio & podcast personality, writer and actor Phil Hendrie announce a partnership to bring the long-running podcast, “The World of Phil Hendrie,” to iHeartPodcasts. The 30-minute program will continue to be available Monday through Friday on iHeartRadio. “I’m just so excited to be reunited with Premiere and Julie Talbott. Even Bobby Dooley is happy! I’m excited to work with the incredible team at iHeartPodcasts and bring our unique world to an even wider audience.”

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WSSP, Milwaukee Announces New Local Shows

Audacy’s sports talk WSSP/WXSS-HD2, Milwaukee “The Fan” is announcing a new program lineup full of local shows. The new lineup includes Trevor Thomas and Josh Albrecht co-hosting “Inside Wisconsinimg Sports” from 6:00 am to 9:00 am, “Nine2Noon” hosted by John  Kuhn and Ramie Makhlouf, “The Mason Crosby Show” with Mitch Thunder Nelles from 12:00 noon to 2:00 pm, and “Wisconsin Sports Daily,” hosted Steve “Sparky” Fifer remaining in PM drive. Audacy Wisconsin SVP Jason Bjorson says, “As we celebrate the station’s 20th anniversary, we wanted to match our listeners’ passion by assembling the dream team here at ‘The Fan.’ With legendary names and two former Green Bay Packers players on our roster, we are going full-throttle. We’re excited to bring our fans the best talent in the market and give them the most entertaining sports coverage Wisconsin has to offer.”

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AM/FM Audiences Trending Up

This week’s Cumulus Media | Westwood One Audio Active Group blog reports on data from Nielsen’s national audience service called “Nielsen Nationwide,” in which it released the Spring 2025 (April-May-June) Nationwide study of total listening in the United States. Nielsen Nationwide aggregates listening from all counties including all Portable People Meter markets and all diary markets and the Spring study concludesimg that listening has grown across all demographics and time periods versus the Fall 2024 Nationwide report. Some key takeaways are: 1) Among persons 25-54, total U.S. AM/FM radio AQH has grown +6%, powered by a +19% increase in the Portable People Meter markets; 2) Weekends and nights have the greatest growth compared to Fall 2024; 3) Versus Fall 2024, Spring 2025 total U.S. audience growth is greater among men versus women and has increased in older demographics; and 4) Total U.S. Spring 2025 audience growth is up significantly among college graduates and upscale $75K+ income Americans. The blog post notes that the PPM audience growth is due to Nielsen’s three-minute qualifier modernization, which provides a significantly more comprehensive and realistic definition of AM/FM radio’s audience and their listening behavior. Nielsen found 23% of PPM listening occasions were three or four minutes. Under the old five-minute listening qualifier rule, none of this tuning would have received listening credit. Effective with the January 2025 PPM survey, Nielsen began crediting tuning occasions that are three minutes or greater. See the full blog post here.

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When AI Fools the Host: Mistake, Missed Opportunity, or Legal Minefield?

By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Media Law, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer

imgCharlie Kirk’s tragic assassination shook the talk radio world. Emotions were raw, and broadcasters across the spectrum tried to capture that moment for their audiences. Charles Heller of KVOI in Tucson shared in these pages yesterday (9/16) how he, in that haze of grief, played what he thought were tribute songs by Ed Sheeran and Adele. Only later did he realize they were AI-generated.

Heller deserves credit for admitting his mistake. Many would have quietly moved on, but he turned the incident into a public reflection on accuracy and the challenges of this new AI age. That honesty does not weaken him – it underscores his credibility. Audiences trust the host who owns a mistake more than the one who hides it. In this business, candor is currency.

Still, the programmer in me sees an on-air opportunity. Imagine a segment called “AI or Authentic?” – play generated songs alongside real ones and invite the audience to decide. It could be informative and fun: interactive, funny, and a perfect spotlight on the very problem that fooled him. I’m sure there are folks out there who have already done this.

Here’s where the lawyer in me speaks up. Falling for a convincing fake is a mistake, not malice. For public figures like Adele or Sheeran, defamation requires proof that a host knew something was false or acted recklessly. A one-off error doesn’t reach that bar.

But liability doesn’t end there. Misattribution can raise right-of-publicity concerns. Saying Adele recorded a song she didn’t isn’t defamatory – but it can still be an unauthorized use of her persona. Intent doesn’t always matter. The safer route is clear labeling: “This may be AI.”

For those of us behind the glass, the lesson is simple: mistakes happen. But doubling down without context? That’s how little errors become legal problems. The law is forgiving of a slip in judgment. It is less forgiving if the same content is repackaged as fact without transparency.

Heller’s story isn’t embarrassing – it’s instructive. In the AI era, every broadcaster faces the same challenge: how to verify what feels authentic. The answer isn’t to shy away from the technology. It’s to make sure you control the punchline – not the algorithm.

Matthew B. Harrison is a media and intellectual property attorney who advises radio hosts, content creators, and creative entrepreneurs. He has written extensively on fair use, AI law, and the future of digital rights. Reach him at Matthew@HarrisonMediaLaw.com or read more at staging.talkers.com/.

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An Attack on One Is an Attack on All: Why the Radio Industry Must Respond

By Larry O’Connor
Talk Radio Host
WMAL-FM, Washington, DC

imgIn the wake of Charlie Kirk’s murder, one would expect every company that owns a talk radio station, every network that syndicates conservative voices, and every corporation that employs talk radio hosts to issue a unified statement of defiance. This was not just an attack on Charlie; it was an attack on the entire industry of talk radio, on the free exchange of ideas, and on the First Amendment itself. Yet, shockingly, most of these companies have remained silent. That silence is unacceptable. At a moment like this, the industry should stand shoulder to shoulder and declare to the world: we will not be intimidated, we will not be silenced, and we will never abandon the microphone.

 

We Will Not Be Silenced

The news of Charlie Kirk’s brutal murder has shaken us to our core. For those of us behind a microphone each day, it was not just an attack on a friend, a colleague, or a leader – it was an attack on our entire industry, our movement, and the very principle of free speech.

Charlie was more than a conservative activist. He was a broadcaster, a communicator, a man who understood the power of radio and its unmatched ability to reach Americans where they live, work, and drive. He embraced our medium because he knew it could bypass the gatekeepers and speak truth directly to millions. And for that reason – because he was effective, fearless, and unrelenting – he was targeted.

Let’s be clear: this was not random violence. This was political violence. It was meant to silence a voice. And in silencing that voice, it was meant to intimidate the rest of us. To scare us into pulling our punches. To warn us that telling the truth has consequences.

Well, here’s the truth: we will not be intimidated, and we will not be silenced.

Conservative talk radio is the last truly free public square in America. We don’t answer to corporate boardrooms in New York or Silicon Valley. We answer to our listeners – the American people. Every morning and every afternoon, millions tune in because they know they will hear what the mainstream media refuses to cover. They come to us because they trust us to tell it straight. And if anyone thinks the murder of Charlie Kirk is going to drive us off the airwaves, they don’t understand who we are.

The history of talk radio is the history of resilience. From Rush Limbaugh to Charlie Kirk, our voices have endured smear campaigns, advertiser boycotts, government threats, and now, tragically, deadly violence. Yet every time they try to shut us down, we come back stronger. Every time they think they’ve broken us, our audience grows.

Charlie’s death is a wound, but it is also a call to arms – not with weapons, but with words. Words of truth. Words of conviction. Words that cannot be cancelled, cannot be censored, and cannot be silenced by fear.

As an industry, we stand together today. Whether you broadcast from a major market station or a small-town affiliate, whether your show runs nationally or locally, we are united. Charlie’s microphone may have been forced into silence, but ours will burn brighter because of it. We will carry his message, his courage, and his relentless pursuit of truth forward.

To Charlie’s family, we grieve with you. To our listeners, we stand with you. And to those who think violence can silence ideas: you are wrong. The ideas of liberty, faith, and American exceptionalism will ring louder than ever.

Charlie Kirk is gone, but the cause he championed lives on. His voice echoes in every one of ours. And we will keep talking. We will keep broadcasting. We will keep fighting – together.

Because in the end, freedom always wins.

Larry OConnor is the morning drive host at Cumulus Media’s WMAL-FM, Washington, DC. He can be emailed at stagerightblogger@gmail.com.

Industry Views

Won’t Get Fooled Again (Hopefully)

By Charles Heller
Talk Host / Account Executive
KVOI, Tucson

imgGrief for the loss of Charlie Kirk is palpable around the world. Broadcasters who interviewed him or had anything to do with the Turning Point organization were deeply touched by his tragic death.

Sunday, I played a tribute song to Charlie Kirk that I thought was by English singer/songwriter Ed Sheeran. Later I played one supposedly by Adelle. It seemed rather strange that they could produce and publish songs in three days, but I could find no evidence on YouTube that they were artificially generated. I should have looked a little further in my research before I stated on air that the songs were authentic. How can I be in talk radio for 27 years, be 68, and that naïve?

The fact is that I wanted to believe it was true. I overcame cognitive dissonance by wanting to believe that these two great artists would do tributes to someone I hold in high esteem. On reflection, I should have thought about the likelihood that either of them would write such songs…

In putting these thoughts to paper (electrons, anyway…) I found dozens of tribute songs to Charlie Kirk from many famous voices, and now I notice that most of them are “generated content.” That really made me re-evaluate my method of bringing facts to the audience, a job I feel as a calling as much as a profession. It forces me to question the authenticity of everything I bring to the microphone. My desire to believe that those songs were real, overcame my natural skepticism. I lost, as they say in self-defense instruction, “situational awareness.” (I’ve been a state certified CCW instructor for 31 years.)

I came to radio through print journalism, having run my high school newspaper as managing editor (The Lane Warrior) with a circulation of 5,000. We printed it in house too, back when it was still done hot type. The Chicago Tribune sponsored my Junior Achievement Company, and my associations there got me a job. I spent time in the newsroom while still in high school, learning a lot about how a real paper is made. They cared a lot about accuracy, and it stuck with me. I used to smoke my pipe at the city desk with Clarence Paige. (Wow have things changed…)

Fast-forward 50 years, and now I sit behind the microphone of four talk radio programs on KVOI, engineering and hosting by myself, alone in the building with the exception of my broadcast dog, Charger. It’s an awesome responsibility, bringing infotainment to an audience, but the age of AI now causes me to ask, is everything I put out, correct? I’ve said on air for a long time, “I don’t need to be right, but need to be correct.” Am I alone in this concern for accuracy? Give me your thoughts, please.

Charles Heller is in his 27th year on air, hosting “Swap Shop,” “Liberty Watch,” “America Armed & Free,” and “America’s Fabric,” on Bustos Media’s KVOI-AM, Tucson. During the week he is a seller, producing his own spots. Charger is a seven-year-old rescue from the Humane Society who prefers AM Radio. He’d especially like to communicate with people who do other swap type shows. charles@libertywatchradio.com

Industry Views

SABO SEZ: Keep the Valuables

By Walter Sabo
a.k.a. Walter Sterling, Host
WPHT, Philadelphia, “Walter Sterling Every Damn Night”
TMN syndicated, “Sterling on Sunday”

imgAmazon learned that there are high volume sales for specific categories of products. High demand equals high value to the seller. Items such as diapers, printer ink, staplers, batteries, etc. Being brilliant, Amazon created “Amazon Basics.” Same products, white labeled. Amazon doesn’t manufacture batteries; they just slap their logos on what America needs most.  That’s why Mr. Bezos has a bigger boat than you.

Radio listeners have high demand for basic elements. The demand for these ingredients is often based on need rather than preference. Needed ingredients delivered by radio represent high value to the radio industry:

– Weather reports

– Traffic reports

– Is everything ok? News reports

– News bulletins

– Local news

– Closings

The first sign of trouble was when radio stations chose to promote a cable channel by presenting “Weather Channel Weather.” Tip: research shows the most respected source of weather is the National Weather Service and a station can pull that for free, any time. No disrespect to the Weather Channel but, can’t radio do weather? Giving away that position to TV is foolish.

Weather is even more important than one might think. Yes, a listener can get it from multiple online sources, but the listener is listening to the radio. The listener needs the weather NOW, live, local. Failing to do weather forces the listener to leave you. (That’s why, on the local and national “Sterling” show, we have meteorologist, Dr. Dave Eiser and Brad Your Grandma’s weatherman presenting the weather through the program.)

Do a Google trend search. Compare WEATHER, SEX, JESUS, TRUMP. Weather will win.

TRAFFIC. An argument I lost was with a 50kw station that had the traffic image because they had a traffic copter. To save $200,000 they were going to take it down. I said, “Fire me but don’t take down the copter.” They took it down. The reason to do traffic is not 100% to give traffic reports, it is – more importantly – to prove that the station is live, and to prove the station sees everything. Breaking news will compel listeners to check with the station that can report it from the air, live!

There is no reason to stop doing traffic and weather because an all-news station is doing it. Those are essential must-have elements for all listeners regardless of format. If we want to own the dashboard, it is best to present top-of-mind information to drivers. Live!

FOX News seems to present a “Bulletin” every few minutes… FOX NEWS ALERT. A radio station doesn’t have to follow the AP Style Guide to define “bulletin.” You can air a bulletin or an alert whenever you want. Urgent, compelling, turn up the radio. Pulling the listener in with sounders, big intros, all that stuff claims your position as the source of better-know-it information.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED. By stripping a station of the costs of bulletins, weather, traffic, and local news we have made radio less valuable. Those “costs” were/are investments in content valued by listeners.  Too many stations have trashed essential ingredients for the sake of a false economy. Radio revenues go down each quarter as stations cut costs each quarter.

Walter Sabo has been a C Suite action partner for companies such as SiriusXM, Hearst, Press Broadcasting, Gannett, RKO General and many other leading media outlets. His company HITVIEWS, in 2007, was the first to identify and monetize video influencers.. His nightly show “Walter Sterling Every Damn Night” is heard on WPHT, Philadelphia. His syndicated show, “Sterling On Sunday,” from Talk Media Network, airs 10:00 pm-1:00 am ET, and is now in its 10th year of success. He can be reached by email at sabowalter@gmail.com.

Industry News

iHeartMedia Promotes Doers to Area President

iHeartMedia promotes Dee (Devon) Doers to area president for the company’s MidNorth Area that includes Minnesota, North Dakota and Wisconsin, effective immediately. In this role, Doers will oversee operationsimg across key iHeartMedia markets including: Rochester, Minnesota; Bismarck, Minot, Dickinson, and Grand Forks in North Dakota; and Eau Claire, Wisconsin. iHeartMedia division president Shosh Abromovich says, “I’m thrilled to welcome Dee Doers as Area President over our six MidNorth markets. With nearly three decades of industry experience, Dee brings strategic vision and a proven track record of driving growth. He’s the ideal leader to take these markets to even greater heights.” Doers previously served the company’s Minneapolis market as vice president of sales.

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Celebrate Four Years on WOR

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Pictured above are Premiere Networks nationally syndicated personalities Clay Travis (left) and Buck Sexton (right) celebrating four years together as a radio team at their flagship station, WOR, New York with WOR’s midday personality Mark Simone (center).

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Audacy and Southern Cross Austereo Announce Content Deal

Audacy and Australian broadcasting company Southern Cross Austereo enter into an agreement for Audacy’s library of digital content to be available on the LiSTNR digital audio platform and for SCA to be theimg exclusive sales rep for the Australian market. With this deal, Australian advertisers will be able to access Audacy’s titles as part of their audio campaigns. The partnership broadens the breadth of available content for LiSTNR audiences and increases the reach for clients, with access to a range of titles including “Office Ladies with Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsley,” “Fly on the Wall with David Spade and Dana Carvey,” “Search Engine,” “The Moth” and dozens of podcasts from CBS Sports and CBS News & Entertainment.