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CLIPPING JUSTICE: Fair Use in Media Creation

By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Legal Group, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer

imLet’s continue our ongoing series of articles about fair use. A recent case highlights fair use considerations in audio media and podcasting, particularly concerning music and short audio clips used in intros, where some creators assume that brief snippets automatically qualify as “fair use.” Legal experts clarify that using a song clip, even if brief, doesn’t inherently meet fair use criteria. Courts have emphasized that fair use hinges not just on brevity but also on factors like purpose, nature, and market impact on the original work. Music clips, even short ones, are often seen as significant portions of the original content, carrying substantial value, making unauthorized use in podcasts or similar formats legally risky.

The concept of “transformative use” is crucial in fair use evaluations; content must add new meaning or context to the original rather than simply reformatting it. For instance, the landmark 2 Live Crew case involving their parody of Roy Orbison’s “Pretty Woman” underscored that transformative uses might still face challenges if they impact the original’s market value. This demonstrates that merely placing music in a new setting doesn’t automatically render it transformative.

To mitigate risks, media creators often incorporate shorter clips alongside commentary or critique, which tends to align more closely with fair use. Collaboration or seeking permissions can often be a more practical approach to using impactful content without risking costly legal disputes. Legal sources, including Loeb & Loeb, emphasize that while fair use is an evolving area, obtaining permissions—or using royalty-free alternatives—is often the most straightforward route for creators.

A recent example in Thiccc Boy Productions v. Swindelle illustrates these principles in action. Swindelle, a YouTube creator, used clips from Thiccc Boy Productions’ podcast, hosted by Brendan Schaub, in his reaction videos, asserting a fair use defense due to added commentary. The court ruled in Swindelle’s favor, noting his commentary was transformative and unlikely to harm the original podcast’s market. This decision aligns with trends following Warhol Foundation v. Goldsmith, which clarified that “transformative” uses must contribute clear commentary or critique to meet fair use standards rather than merely repurposing the original.

For today’s media creators, consulting legal guidance before integrating copyrighted material is crucial as copyright law adapts to new digital contexts.

Media attorney, Matthew B. Harrison is VP/associate publisher, TALKERS; Senior Partner, Harrison Legal Group; and executive producer, Goodphone Communications.  He is available for private consultation and media industry contract representation. He can be reached by phone at 724-484-3529 or email at Matthew@HarrisonLegalGroup.com

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Talk Radio Shines with Election Night Coverage

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It was a late night of extra duty for radio talk show hosts as stations and networks across the nation garnered their human and technical resources to provide listeners with accurate news and insightful analysis of the unfolding drama of Election Night in America. In many cases, coverage was provided by panels of air staffers, contributors and special guests gathered in central studio locations and supplemented by remote audio and video call ins.  Some stations sent their talent to electoral hot spots for live remote reports. Local talk show hosts from the battleground states enjoyed extra exposure making multiple appearances as guests on other shows and platforms around the nation.  Syndication networks used the event effectively to showcase their talent lineups.  And the “special” nature of these programs created a wide variety of advertising package opportunities for radio sales departments locally and nationally. In the broader arena of talk media, a number of popular political YouTube channels from both the left and right also put their best efforts into covering the news and views of one of the most anticipated nights in U.S. election history.  As TALKERS publisher Michael Harrison put it, “Talk radio and its YouTube and podcasting cousins took a back seat to no one – specifically the major TV networks – in their determination to provide their loyal audiences totaling millions of the most politically active citizens with the news and views that make their collective platforms the most accurate bellwether of American public opinion in the media today.”    Pictured above: Election Night coverage live from the state-of-the-art WABC, New York audio/video “Studio 77.”  Shown (l-r) George Pataki, former New York State governor; Judge Richard Weinberg, co-host of “Let The Record Show;” Rita Cosby, host of “The Rita Cosby Show” and co-host of “Cats & Cosby;” John Catsimatidis, owner of Red Apple Media and WABC, host of “The Cats Roundtable,” and co-host of “Cats & Cosby;” Anthony Weiner, former U.S. Representative, host of “The Middle with Anthony Weiner,” and co-host of “The Left Versus The Right;” Paul Stone, CEO of Colonial Metals Group and economic contributor to WABC Radio; and David Patterson, former New York State governor and political contributor to WABC Radio.

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TALKERS News Notes

HRN Hispanic Radio Network Responds to Advertisers Creates “The Influencer Radio Network.” HRN, the highly Nielsen-Rated Hispanic Radio Network, has created “The Influencer Network” to help advertisers connect with Hispanic communities across the U.S.Hispanic Radio Network The Influencer Network leverages the growing impact of HRN’s syndicated personalities on their radio listeners and social media followers.  “Radio personalities are the original influencers” says Clark Logan, President of HRN. “Fernando Fiore (a.k.a. Mr. Soccer), Ana Maria Canseco, Riva, (Los 40 USA) and DJ Xtreme are great talents. Their audiences on air and online identify with them while listening to their shows and reading the social posts in a lean-forward fashion. Brands can use association with these influencers to increase awareness and favorability of their brands with consumers.” For more information on the HRN Hispanic Radio Network, contact Clark Logan at Clark.Logan@genmediapartners.com for advertising and Jimmy Perez at jimmy.perez@genmediapartners.com for affiliations.

 

Austin’s KUT News and KUTX 98.9 GM Debbie Hiott Elected to the NPR Board of Directors.KUT KUT/KUTX, Austin GM Debbie Hiott has been elected to the NPR Board of Directors by NPR member station peers from across the country. Her term began yesterday (11/4) and runs through 2027. “It felt important to have a seat at the table at a critical time for NPR as it determines how to address challenging audience and underwriting trends, and how it will handle relationships with member stations,” said Hiott. Debbie Hiott ID“NPR’s health is our health, and vice versa. It’s important that the member stations and NPR work together on solutions to our audience and revenue challenges. I’m hoping I can help contribute to those solutions.”

 

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MORE ON FAIR USE: Using the Audio/Video Content of Others Can Transform a Work into a Sum Greater Than Its Parts – Or Be a Legal Headache

By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Legal Group, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer

Matthew B. Harrison, Esq.As media creators in radio and podcasting explore ways to legally incorporate external audio, the fair use factor of “purpose and character” is crucial. This factor assesses whether the use is “transformative”—adding new expression or meaning—or merely reproduces the original’s essence, potentially infringing on copyright.

Examples from popular platforms provide guidance. Podcaster Joe Rogan, for instance, often uses clips to build commentary and analysis, which could support a fair use defense due to its transformative nature (though others may argue the additions don’t significantly alter the original). Defining “transformative” is challenging, especially when the original creator disagrees on whether substantial new meaning has been added.

Transformative use in podcasts.  In podcasting, many creators use news clips or sound bites to provide commentary or critique, adding analysis or humor that can help support a fair use claim. For example, “The Joe Rogan Experience has used various clips and video snippets with added commentary. While Rogan’s show hasn’t faced significant legal challenges for these uses, adding commentary could bolster a fair use defense.

Hypothetical: satire on a radio show. Consider a radio show that incorporates political speech snippets for satire. If the use is genuinely transformative, adding new expression or meaning, it may meet fair use standards. However, the line is thin, especially if the clip isn’t significantly altered. Precedents like Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc. inform how courts may handle parody and transformation in fair use.

Example: news clip commentary in political podcasts.  Political podcasts like “The Daily” from The New York Times often use brief clips to provide in-depth commentary on current events. For instance, they might use a clip from a politician’s speech to add a critical or alternative perspective. In such contexts, courts are more likely to view the use as transformative, particularly if it builds on or challenges the original content. These scenarios illustrate the balance media creators must strike in using third-party audio. Whether adding commentary, satire, or criticism, the goal is to transform the original content meaningfully, beyond simple replication. Understanding fair use’s “purpose and character” factor helps media creators leverage third-party content responsibly, aligning with legal standards.

Media attorney, Matthew B. Harrison is VP/associate publisher, TALKERS; Senior Partner, Harrison Legal Group; and executive producer, Goodphone Communications.  He is available for private consultation and media industry contract representation. He can be reached by phone at 724-484-3529 or email at Matthew@HarrisonLegalGroup.com

 

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MONDAY MEMO: Quick Cash for Your House

By Holland Cooke
Consultant

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Here’s a sales lead, based on an all-out on-air radio war underway in the Providence, RI market I hear when I’m home. These advertisers are doing well enough that they are also now using TV; and I am now hearing this category in other areas. Because two aggressive sponsors here are using these same copy points, verbatim, they must be working, so rip ‘em off:

“There are no fees, no showings, no clean-up or repairs needed. We buy junk houses, abandoned houses, condemned houses, foreclosure houses, and even land. We buy several houses a month, in any condition, and we want to buy more. We buy inherited houses, behind-in-payment houses, divorce houses, we even buy my-tenant-won’t-pay-the-rent houses. Call today for a cash offer on your house!”

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Swearing In of a True Talk Radio Hero

Jeff Katz

WRVA, Richmond afternoon host Jeff Katz (pictured above left) has been appointed to the Virginia Board for People with Disabilities by Governor Glenn Youngkin. Katz was appointed to the seat which is filled by a Virginian who is an advocate for the disabled. Katz is shown taking the oath of office as administered by Secretary of the Commonwealth Kelly Gee (r).  Katz – a past recipient of the TALKERS “Humanitarian of the Year” award – has achieved a stunning record of public service for the people of his listening area stemming from his and his wife’s personal experience and lifetime commitment as the parents of a 21-year-old daughter, Julia Katz, challenged by global development disabilities.

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SABO SEZ: Blame TiVo

By Walter Sabo
A.K.A. Walter Sterling, Host
Sterling Every Damn Night, WPHT, Philadelphia
Sterling On Sunday, TMN

Walter M. SterlingTake advantage of the new media order. Initially, TiVo was a hit because you could pause live TV and go to the bathroom whenever you wanted. Bathroom breaks while watching live TV was a revelation. As you were going to the bathroom, your relationship with media was being re-wired in your brain. In a matter of months, you were able to watch what you wanted, whenever you wanted. DECADES of TV scheduling strategies became anachronistic. It’s November. Do you know when your favorite shows are airing on TV? No! No need you’ll watch them whenever you want!

Now On-demand is the rule of all media.

Liberation from traditional formalities has infiltrated every aspect of our day.. TMZ launched with this editorial rule: Cover NO scheduled events. No press conferences. TMZ cameras lurk in the parking lots and valet tents to capture stars off guard, candid, authentic. Make-up artists and movie set hairdressers, not PR teams, are their primary news sources. By comparison, “Entertainment Tonight” and “Hard Copy” who are obligated to the PR industry look phony, stiff, staged.

Warren Buffet for decades modeled how to behave like the country’s richest man. Stable, sane, professorial. But today’s richest man, Elon Musk is running million dollar a day giveaways to registered voters. He wears t-shirts, dances on stage and has how many kids?

Hoda Kotb quits the “Today Show” …THE TODAY SHOW and no one cares. The quest for a new co-anchor captures no one’s imagination. Compared with the impact of online influencers, TikTok videos and on-demand TV, the “Today Show” looks anachronistic.

A relic.

Four years ago, the millions of workers staying at home would have never thought freedom from the office commute would be possible. Now they can’t imagine why they have to go to the office – because they are at work, on their kitchen table.

Don’t become BLOCKBUSTER. Today’s trends are becoming surging rivers of thought and behavior. Winning employers will embrace their colleagues with recognition of these changes. Rather than bribing and begging workers back to the old office, they will amp up the tools and support to allow employees to easily produce from anywhere they wish. That means providing better computers, phones, software, and new systems for recognizing performance. Getting-in-early just isn’t going to mean anything. Getting-it-done will be prized.

About your talk station: Three- and four-hour blocks of – BLOCK PROGRAMMING – is the past. Seamless is the future. Seamless talk programming, format driven rather than “my show” driven will grow cume and maximize PPM technology. Hosts will present ideas and entertainment, with other hosts and contributors using techniques that allow for tune-in at any time.

 Consultant Walter Sabo A.K.A. Walter M Sterling has a nightly show “Sterling Every Damn Night” heard on WPHT, Philadelphia 9:00 pm – 12:00 midnight. His syndicated show, “Sterling On Sunday,” from Talk Media Network, airs Sundays 10:00 pm – 1:00 am ET, and is now in its 10th year of success. He can be reached by email at waltermsterling@gmail.com or Sabowalter@gmail.com.

 

 

 

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TALKERS News Notes

WURDWURD Radio Endorses Kamala Harris for President.  For the first time in its 20+ year history, Philadelphia’s only Black-owned radio station, WURD Radio has endorsed a political candidate — Kamala Harris for President of the United States. Prompted in part by the decision from owners of the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post to overrule planned endorsements by their editorial boards, sources at the station tell TALKERS, this decision underscores the importance of independent media ownership. From the endorsement: “Our founder, Walter P. Lomax Jr., M.D., understood that the media has the power to shape perceptions, images, narratives and, most importantly in this election, to tell the truth. He understood that the media can demonize or humanize, destroy or exalt, diminish or elevate. Dr. Lomax knew that mainstream media often marginalizes, caricatures and maligns Black people. WURD is in a unique position to speak honestly and emphatically about what matters most to our community because we are independently owned.”  To read the entire text of the endorsement, please click here.

 

imSiriusXM Tips Off College Basketball Coverage with 74 Games on Opening Night, November 4.  SiriusXM will deliver college basketball fans an extensive schedule of live games throughout the 2023-24 college basketball season, starting with a slate of 74 women’s and men’s matchups to choose from when the season tips off this Monday (11/4).  The men’s schedule includes all 19 teams from the Associated Press Top 25 that are in action on Monday night, including the season’s first matchup of Top 25 ranked teams – #8 Baylor @ #6 Gonzaga (11:30 pm ET). The opening day schedule of women’s games on SiriusXM includes 12 teams from the Associated Press Top 25 and features a couple of Top 25 matchups – #20 Ole Miss @ #3 USC (noon ET) and #5 UCLA @ #17 Louisville (2:30 pm ET).  Throughout the season SiriusXM listeners will get access to dozens of game broadcasts each week involving teams from the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC, Pac-12, Big East and more.

 

NewsMaxNewsmax Launches in France on Molotov.  Newsmax TV, one of America’s most popular news channels, just launched on Molotov, one of France’s leading TV platforms, as U.S. voters go to the polls to pick their next president.  The Newsmax channel went live on Molotov’s platform on October 24, 2024, expanding its global footprint with 19 million Molotov users in France and French-speaking territories.  Molotov is one of France’s main TV services offering streaming television to internet users across the nation and its territories. Molotov subscribers can tune to Newsmax via the platform’s free tier.

 

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News/Talk Radio Mainstay Lars Larson is this Week’s Guest on Harrison Podcasts

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Do people get the media and government they deserve? Is the mainstream press really “fake news” and unfair to the MAGA movement? What are the true threats to American democracy at play in this rapidly changing era?  Lars Larson is this week’s featured guest on the TALKERS MEDIA YouTube video channel’s “Up Close Far Out with Michael Harrison” and the award-winning PodcastOne audio series, “The Michael Harrison Interview.”  Larson, ranked #14 on the 2024 TALKERS Heavy Hundred and approaching his 50th anniversary in broadcasting, hosts two syndicated versions of his long-running 12:00 noon to 4:00 pm (PT) show on flagship station, KXL, Portland, OR.  One is carried on approximately 26 Radio Northwest Network (RNW) stations in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho.  The other is heard on more than 100 stations across the nation on the Compass Media Networks.  During his illustrious career, Larson has been the recipient of more than 70 awards from the Associated Press, Society of Professional Journalists, and the National Press Club, as well as two Emmys and a Peabody for his reporting and documentaries.  In a candid discussion that covers a variety of contemporary hot button issues, Larson provides the conservative media perspective on the controversial Trump Rally at Madison Square Garden along with his take on mainstream news coverage, in general, of the 2024 presidential race.  The conversation also taps into burgeoning Middle East tensions, social media, artificial intelligence, the state of journalism, the First Amendment, privacy rights, the power of TV to distort reality, plus the tenets of Marxism, Naziism, socialism, and capitalism, as well as the unique political makeup of the Portland area.  Don’t miss this!

To view the video in its entirety, please click here.

To listen to the audio version in its entirety, please click here. MHInterview.com

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TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use (Part 6): The Law in Modern and Complex Situations

By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Legal Group, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer

Matthew B. Harrison, Esq.This sixth installment in our ongoing series on fair use focuses on the application of the law in modern and complex scenarios.

Using audio or video clips created by others often involves complex copyright considerations, especially as fair use law doesn’t automatically protect unauthorized use of media content. Cases of podcasting and talk show infringement have shown that even short clips can trigger copyright issues if they’re used in a way that substitutes the original work or diminishes its market value. It certainly can trigger flags when scanned by an algorithm.

Creators often and mistakenly believe they can legally use short clips if they’re under a specific length (often thought to be 30 seconds), but in reality, no such rule exists. Even brief clips can infringe if they are used without transforming the content or if they impact the original work’s market potential. In this vein, legal experts recommend that podcasters and media creators obtain clear permissions or licenses when using audio clips from other shows or content sources. This is especially pertinent in podcasting, where fair use is limited and can quickly lead to legal complications without the proper usage guidelines or transformative context, such as commentary or criticism.

For example, in Napster-related cases, where the focus was initially on music, courts have generally ruled against using protected content, focusing on whether the use directly impacts the market or presents a substitute for the original work. Similarly, podcasters have faced claims when broadcasting segments of popular music or clips without the required permissions, even when they used only a few seconds. To mitigate risks, media creators should consider alternatives like royalty-free audio sources or secure direct permission from copyright owners, particularly when using media that does not contribute new, critical commentary to avoid copyright liability.

Several recent copyright infringement cases have involved YouTubers and podcasters. Some cases focus on using music without obtaining necessary licenses. For example, podcasters must often secure more than just a basic ASCAP or BMI license to use music tracks, as these don’t cover all usage rights. Failing to do so has led to infringement claims against podcasters who assume that crediting a musician or using only a few seconds of a track falls under fair use, which is not always the case. Many amateur podcasters and content creators mistakenly think brief use is permissible, overlooking the need for comprehensive music licensing to avoid legal issues.

Another example is the widely reported allegations of copyright infringement in the true crime podcast sphere. Shows like “Crime Junkie” faced accusations of copying research verbatim from other sources without proper credit, highlighting the broader issue of plagiarism and copyright misuse in podcasting. Many true crime podcasts rely heavily on sources without clear attribution, leading to disputes and potential litigation due to copyright and ethical concerns. The decentralized nature of podcasting platforms makes enforcement challenging, though the legal stakes continue to rise with the medium’s growth.

These cases underscore the importance of understanding and securing permissions in podcasting and online media, especially as the medium becomes more professionalized and competitive.

Media attorney, Matthew B. Harrison is VP/associate publisher, TALKERS; Senior Partner, Harrison Legal Group; and executive producer, Goodphone Communications.  He is available for private consultation and media industry contract representation. He can be reached by phone at 724-484-3529 or email at Matthew@HarrisonLegalGroup.com

 

 

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I Am Leaving My Daily Radio Show While On Top to Transition to Podcasts

By Mark Belling
Talk Show Host, WISN-AM, Milwaukee

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TALKERS News Notes

Remote News Service Continues Growth – Pacific Northwest.  Remote News Service (RNS), a live and localized news network providing hyper targeted, and custom news/traffic remotely, announces the addition of three new stations to its client list. Lotus Communications Seattle joins Remote News Service adding Northwest News Radio KNWN 1000/97.7, HANK 101.5, and Talk Radio 570 KVI. Frank Lenzi, news director for KNWN said “We are excited about our new partnership with Remote News Service. Their traffic anchors provide our listeners with the top-notch, real-time traffic information for which they have come to rely on us for generations.”  Remote News Service owner Lesley Lotto said “We are thrilled to welcome Lotus Communications, which has such a great reputation in the industry, to the RNS family. This year has been one of tremendous growth and these stations magnify the quality of client stations and markets we’ve been able to attract. It’s all about the exceptional performance of our team.”  For more information, visit remotenewsservice.com.

Jim BlighProving There’s More to Life in America this Week than Just Presidential Politics. Pictured above is Salem Radio Networks (SRN) East Coast affiliate relations manager Jim Bligh – a frequent “player” in NYC-based skits on “Saturday Night Live in addition to appearing in theatrical feature films – joined NBC’s “The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon” on Tuesday 10/29). Fallon and Grammy-winning guest Olivia Rodrigo played “What’s Behind Me?”…a charade style game with Fallon describing action happening as her back was turned. Blight – far right – acted out a scene of Three Mobsters doing Yoga at a Barnes & Noble. See Bligh’s skit by clicking here.

 

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Cumulus Media and TuneIn Expand Content Partnership Agreement

imCumulus Media, which describes itself as a top “audio-first” media company, and TuneIn, self-proclaimed world’s leader in “live audio,” today (10/29) announced that they have renewed and expanded their existing content partnership. Under the terms of the deal, TuneIn will continue to make Cumulus Media’s local sports, news, talk and entertainment programming available to its 75 million monthly global listeners. The extended agreement also includes a new, non-exclusive sales and supply partnership to optimize digital audio advertising monetization for Cumulus’ diverse radio stations. Cumulus owns and operates 400 radio stations across 84 markets with an extensive collection of nationally syndicated sports, news, talk and entertainment programming.Cumulus Media Logo As part of the agreement, audio streams of Cumulus stations and podcasts, which includes popular stations like WBAP, Dallas; WLS, Chicago; and KNBR, San Francisco will remain available 24/7 through TuneIn.  “TuneIn naturally aligns with our strategy to expand our digital footprint and extend the reach of our diverse programming to a global audience,” said Brian Philips, chief content officer of Cumulus Media, telling TALKERS, “TuneIn offers significant global reach that makes it possible for listeners to easily discover our extensive collection of radio stations and podcasts almost anywhere through the TuneIn platform and 200+ connected devices.” “We are excited to continue to expand our long-standing partnership with Cumulus to extend the reach of their comprehensive content offerings,” said Rich Stern, CEO of TuneIn. “This partnership allows us to bring high-quality content to our listeners while also helping Cumulus monetize its digital audio advertising inventory effectively. It’s a win-win for both companies and our audiences.”

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TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use (Part 5): The Balance Between “Exposure” and “Value” in Copyright Law

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MH: Trump on Rogan Podcast Illustrates Talk Media Realignment

TALKERS publisher Michael Harrison stated, “Although it has been many years in the making, this past Friday’s (10/25) three-hour appearance by former President Donald Trump on the ‘Joe Rogan Experience’ podcast will take its place in communications history as the singular event that clearly symbolized, beyond a shadow of doubt, the realignment of platform influence in the hierarchy of the talk media universe.” Rogan and TrumpAt the Monday morning (10/28) TALKERS editorial meeting, Harrison said, “The hoopla over this podcast appearance and its enormous profile within election news coverage clearly indicates we have arrived at a point where the terms ‘mainstream,’ ‘legacy,’ ‘alternative,’ ‘grassroots,’ and the like have to be reevaluated in conveying impact and importance – both individually, and certainly collectively – in the marketplace of ideas and the industries that serve it.”  Harrison added, “This is especially true of Rogan’s individual impact as indicated by 1) the deference he was paid by a former president and major party candidate in showing up three-hours late for a live rally attended by thousands in which he actually implied that this podcast interview was a priority and more important to ‘winning’ than arriving on time for the event; 2) the tsunami of news coverage this podcast generated; 3) the passive aggressive irreverence granted a somewhat oblivious Trump by Rogan both during and following the interview; and 4) the sheer enormity of Rogan’s raw numbers on Spotify and YouTube, unfettered by FCC regulation.”

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TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use (Part 4): The Amount and Substantiality Factor

By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Legal Group, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer

Matthew B. Harrison, Esq.The “Amount and Substantiality” factor in fair use assesses both the quantity and quality of copyrighted material used – how much is included and whether it contains the most significant, or “heart,” of the original work. Courts often find smaller, less central portions more defensible under fair use, but this varies by context. Using a memorable chorus or key line can weigh against fair use, even if only a small amount is used. For media creators, especially in radio and related forms of broadcasting, fair use is more likely to apply when portions are brief, non-central, and contribute transformative commentary or critique. This is the fourth installment of a multi-part TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use for the Media Creator. The first installment is here. The second installment is here. The third installment is here.  To read this fourth installment, please click here.

Media attorney, Matthew B. Harrison is VP/associate publisher, TALKERS; Senior Partner, Harrison Legal Group; and executive producer, Goodphone Communications.  He is available for private consultation and media industry contract representation. He can be reached by phone at 724-484-3529 or email at Matthew@HarrisonLegalGroup.com

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TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use (Part 4): The Amount and Substantiality Factor

By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Legal Group, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer

Matthew B. Harrison, Esq.With the growing popularity of talk media programs utilizing segments of other shows as key elements of scrutiny and commentary in their programming (“Clip Jockey Format” as coined by Michael Harrison), it is important that media content creators be aware of the subtle and often ambiguous rules applying to the legal aspects of this practice under the heading of fair use.

This is the fourth installment of a multi-part TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use for the Media Creator. The first installment is here. The second installment is here. The third installment is here.

The “amount and substantiality” factor in fair use focuses on how much of the copyrighted material is used and whether that portion is essential to the original work. Despite seeming obvious, this factor can be nuanced, and determining how much use is fair can be challenging because it’s not just about the quantity but also about the significance of the portion used.


Is It Difficult to Distinguish?

In many cases, it’s not always obvious what qualifies as a “small” or “insignificant” portion. Courts often consider both the quantity, and the quality of the material used:

• Quantity: This factor asks if only a small part of the work has been used. Using a shorter clip from a video or a few sentences from a book could be more justifiable as fair use. But what qualifies as “small” can vary depending on the work—10 seconds from a short film may be seen differently from 10 seconds in a longer documentary.

• Quality: Even if a creator only uses a small part of the original work, using its “heart” or most memorable part might still count as substantial. For example, a few lines from a song’s chorus, though short, could be considered significant enough to impact fair use status.

Example Cases Highlighting Amount and Substantiality

To better understand this, it’s useful to look at cases that illustrate when the amount used was deemed fair or not:

• Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises (1985): This case involved a magazine that used a few hundred words from an unpublished memoir by President Gerald Ford. Although this was a small percentage of the memoir, the excerpt contained key insights into Ford’s decision to pardon Nixon. The court held that this use was not fair because it included the most “substantial” and critical part of the memoir, even though the total percentage of text used was minimal.

• Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc. (1994): Here, the hip-hop group 2 Live Crew used portions of Roy Orbison’s song “Oh, Pretty Woman” to create a parody. Even though the song’s recognizable parts were used, the new work was transformative in its purpose (a parody rather than a love song). Because the group’s use was a small part relative to the song’s total content and had a new purpose, the court found it was fair use.

Many books and law school classes have been devoted to this question – so let’s focus on Application in Media and Broadcasting

In radio and broadcasting, this factor is often relevant when using clips, songs, or interview segments from other sources. Using a small clip to support commentary or criticism is more likely to be considered fair use, especially if it does not contain the “heart” of the original work:

• Commentary on a Speech: If a talk show uses a brief part of a public figure’s speech to critique it, the fair use factor may weigh in favor of the radio station if it doesn’t take the most memorable segment.

• Use of Music in Shows: Music clips used for thematic transitions or commentary must be kept brief, as lengthy or highly recognizable parts can affect fair use status. Playing just a few bars might qualify, but a chorus or instrumental hook would likely cross the line. This is less of a mine field in traditional broadcast radio as existing license agreements, such as with ASCAP or BMI, may allow for such uses anyway. However, when focusing on the internet – it’s a completely different matter as no licenses have been formally given, yet there is an incentive for the copyright holder to have their work shared. It’s not cut and dry – which is why the following takeaways should be helpful when navigating forward.

Key Takeaways for Media Creators

• Use Minimal Amounts: The less you use, the more defensible your case for fair use, especially if you avoid the most recognizable parts.

• Avoid the “Heart” of the Work: Select portions that serve your purpose without including critical or memorable parts of the original material.

• Transformative Purpose Matters: If the use adds new meaning or serves a different function (e.g., satire, critique), it’s more likely to be deemed fair, even if it includes some key elements.

Summary

Understanding how much of the work a media creator can use while staying within fair use guidelines can be tricky, as this factor requires balancing quantity and significance. Media creators should focus on minimal use that contributes meaningfully to commentary, criticism, or other transformative purposes.

Media attorney, Matthew B. Harrison is VP/associate publisher, TALKERS; Senior Partner, Harrison Legal Group; and executive producer, Goodphone Communications.  He is available for private consultation and media industry contract representation. He can be reached by phone at 724-484-3529 or email at Matthew@HarrisonLegalGroup.com

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POWERFUL STORY!  The New York Times: Her Job Was Talking on the Radio. Then Suddenly, Words Wouldn’t ComeAlison StweartOne day last winter, Alison Stewart, the host of “All of It” on public station WNYC, New York was alarmed to find herself speaking gibberish. Stewart’s health crisis began on February 22, a day jump-started by a 6:00 am workout with her personal trainer. She was pushing herself to get back in shape after having donated a kidney to her sister six months earlier. The workout was routine, though she barely spoke, which was unlike her.  As the morning progressed, she began to feel confusion; she couldn’t engage in a lucid conversation or write a coherent text message. She headed into SoHo, to WNYC Studios, where she hosts the daily interview show “All of It,” and settled into her office to practice reading an introduction to a segment, but her phrasing hit roadblocks instead of flowing smoothly. Baffled, she sought out Kate Hinds, the show’s director. Hinds was taken aback. “She looked very upset, her skin a little gray,” she recalled. “The disintegration was so stark and alarming. I was terrified.” She urged her to see a doctor. Stewart’s doctor listened to her garbled words over the phone and told her to go straight to the emergency room. There, she was able to execute commands like touching her nose and walking backward and forward, signaling that she probably had not suffered a stroke, but a CT scan revealed a mass on her brain. Stewart, 58, was soon talking gibberish, a dreadful and mystifying development for a woman who made her living by talking. Her decline was so rapid that her colleagues wondered whether she would ever be on the radio again.  “I knew she was trapped in there,” said Tracy Christian, one of several friends who had rushed to her side.  Don’t miss a powerful, detailed story by reporter Julie Besonen about Alison Stewart’s remarkable surgery (while awake) under the direction of leading-edge neurosurgeon, Dr. Randy D’Amico, at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan and her ongoing challenging recovery in yesterday’s edition of The New York TimesClick here.

 

Dr Daliah WachsMusic Group Gunhill Road Putting Final Touches on Talk Radio Anthem. Gunhill Road, the perennial pop music ensemble that has attracted hundreds of thousands of worldwide followers with its growing repertoire of issue-oriented songs and music videos, is currently in post-production with an anthem celebrating talk radio. Titled “Don’t Stop Talkin’” – the song is an uplifting and infectiously catchy tune about the vital role talk radio plays in serving the cause of American freedom of speech.  With lines that include “As long as you’ve got a voice, don’t ever stop!” and “As long as you’ve got the truth, don’t ever stop!” the original composition co-written by band members Steve GoldrichPaul ReischBrian Koonin, and Michael Harrison encourages talk radio practitioners to keep up the good work and great service they provide the nation.TALKERS Heavy Hundred syndicated host Dr. Daliah Wachs pictured above bopping to the music in a scene from the forthcoming video “Don’t Stop Talkin'” by Gunhill Road.

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The images accompanying the music blend into a dynamic montage of individual radio talk hosts from different sectors of the industry in the process of doing their shows (and then some). The group invited talk show hosts from around the country – local and syndicated – to contribute video clips of themselves in action on the mic. And according to sources in the band, the number of contributions “more than met our expectations.” Gunhill Road video producer (and TALKERS VP/associate publisher) Matthew B. Harrison states, “The members of Gunhill Road are so grateful for the attention and airplay they have received over the years from talk radio that they want to give something special back to the industry and its medium.” The new song and video are expected to drop shortly after Election Day with a premiere on YouTube.  For more information about Gunhill Road please visit www.GunhillRoadMusic.com.

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Salem Rides Wave of Election Drama with Live BattlegroundTour.com

Knowing full well that this presidential election cycle is serving up an unprecedented level of high drama, Salem Radio Network has been taking it to the peeps.
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Salem Radio Network’s nationally syndicated talk host Hugh Hewitt (above, right) cracks up at remarks by SRN colleague Mike Gallagher (above, left) addressing VIPs just before walking onstage at Salem’s BattlegroundTour.com in Columbus, Ohio Tuesday evening (10/22).  The event – which drew 1,000 listeners – is designed to tap into and generate excitement over Election Day on November 5th.  Gallagher and Hewitt will be joined by SRN host Larry Elder and Salem/Philadelphia morning host Chris Stigall on tonight (10/24) at The Fuge in Philadelphia for the next stop on their BattlegroundTour.com initiative. (Salem photo by Vince Tornero.)

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Beasley Appoints Lauren Burrows Coleman as CFO Replacing Retirement-bound Marie Tedesco

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TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use (Part 3): The Nature of the Copyrighted Work

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Radio Spokesmodel Marks First Anniversary with “75 Radio” Show

 Danila Rodrigues

The “75 Radio” Show announces the one-year anniversary of its association with what the program’s producers describe as “the world’s first radio spokesmodel,” Danila Rodrigues. Rodrigues is literally the face of “75 Radio” as her photos grace the podcast archives, YouTube, as well as all promotional material. Rodriguez helps promote “75 Radio” and its stated principles of smaller government and individual liberty. She made her debut as a member of the “75 Radio” team on October 28, 2023, when she appeared with hosts Walter Yurkiw, Peter “Scoop” Stanton and Pulitzer Prize winner and host of the “No BS Newshour,” Charlie LeDuff. Besides a radio personality, Rodrigues is also a model who has been featured in Moevir, Latinos Today, Pump, and even TALKERS. Besides modeling, Danila Rodrigues is a nurse, business owner, champion bodybuilder, fitness expert, and a mother.  “75 Radio” is a conservative talk show syndicated by Liberty News Radio Network from its flagship station WMQM-AM/W227DQ 1600 AM, Memphis. The show is also carried online via the Roku Player, Tune In app and on LibertyNewsRadio.com. All shows are uploaded to most major podcasting services including Spotify and Apple as well as archived on its website 75Radio.org all free of charge. The show is hosted by Walter Yurkiw and Peter “Scoop” Stanton. Both are former members of the New York Police Department. They can be contacted at info@75Radio.org.

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HighkiniHM Portand Adds Sean Highkin as Trail Blazers Correspondent on WPOJ-AM.  iHeartMedia Portland’s Rip City Radio 620, “Your Home of the Portland Trail Blazers,” announced today (10/24) that acclaimed sports journalist Sean Highkin will join the station as the Portland Trail Blazers correspondent, effective immediately. He will provide comprehensive coverage of the games, practices, press conferences and everything revolving around the Portland Trail Blazers on their flagship station. Highkin brings over a decade of experience covering the NBA, including seven years dedicated to the Portland Trail Blazers. As a trusted voice in basketball, his experience includes contributing to national outlets such as Bleacher Report, USA Today, The Athletic and NBC Sports. In 2023, Highkin was named Oregon Sportswriter of the Year by the National Sports Media Association.  “Sean’s knowledge, expertise and impressive track record will elevate and take our Trail Blazers coverage to the next level,” said Marshal Burgess, metro president of iHeartMedia Portland. “His insightful analysis and in-depth reporting have made him a respected voice in the sports journalism community, and we are thrilled to have him join the iHeartRadio Portland team.”

 

2025 Grand JuryNew York Festivals 2025 Radio Awards Announces Distinguished Grand Jury.  The New York Festivals® Radio Awards has announced its 2025 Grand Jury.  The 2025 Radio Awards Grand Jury features over 100 global leaders from the radio industry across six continents. This distinguished panel comprises world-class content creators, industry visionaries, and iconic voices. Recruited from renowned companies, these directors, producers, journalists, writers, and sound artists are celebrated for their innovation and engaging storytelling. “The robust world of audio storytelling today is fully represented in the 2025 edition of the Grand Jury,” said Rose Anderson, EVP/executive director, New York Festivals Radio Awards. “From audiobooks to podcasts, from investigative journalism to live events, and from mystery to social justice, this year’s jury members volunteer their time and lend their expertise.”  The New York Festivals Radio Awards provides a platform to celebrate creative storytellers from around the world. For 67 years, NYF has recognized both innovation and exceptional quality in broadcast audio content across all genres and platforms since 1957.  Since 2023, The National Press Club, has partnered with New York Festivals to honor the highest scoring news program across the Coverage Of Breaking News Story, Coverage Of Ongoing News Story, Nonfiction Series, Investigative Journalism Podcast, and News Podcast categories. The winner will be announced during the 2025 Storytellers Gala in April.  NYF’s Radio Awards receives entries from radio stations, networks, and independent producers from over 30 countries around the globe. The mission of the competition is to honor the achievements of the men and women who make up the global audio storytelling community.   To see complete list of Grand Jurors click here 2025 Grand Jury.  Award-winning entries for 2025 will be showcased on the Radio Awards winners gallery. View the 2024 winners’ showcase.  The entry deadline for the 2025 Radio Awards competition is January 31, 2025. To enter the 2025 Radio Awards please visit: HERE, for additional information visit: HERE.

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TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use (Part 3): The Nature of the Copyrighted Work

By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Legal Group, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer

This is the third installment of a multi-part TALKERS Legal Series on Fair Use for the Media Creator. The first installment is here. The second installment is here.

The “Nature of the Copyrighted Work” is a key factor in fair use analysis, with courts more likely to allow the use of factual works, such as news reports, than highly creative works like music or films. The landmark case Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Co. established that mere facts, like telephone numbers, cannot be copyrighted unless presented with originality. In media, factual content like news clips may support a fair use defense, while creative works like syndicated talk shows are more protected. Broadcasters should add commentary or criticism when using factual material and be cautious when reusing creative content. Understanding this factual-creative spectrum is critical for media creators navigating copyright law.

In the context of fair use, courts are more likely to allow the use of factual works, such as news reports, historical accounts, or other informational content, than highly creative works like songs, movies, or artwork. The theory behind this is that factual works generally serve a public interest – society benefits from the free exchange of information and ideas, and we want “the system” to encourage this. On the other hand, creative works involve more personal expression, and copyright law is designed to protect that artistic effort (and allow for monetization thereof.)  This distinction plays a crucial role in determining fair use, as courts are more protective of creative works because they represent a higher degree of originality and personal investment.

Classic Case: Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Co. (1991)

A landmark case that helps illustrate this factor is Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Co., which asked whether copyright protection could be applied to a seemingly factual work: a telephone directory. In this case, Rural Telephone Service Co., a public utility, created a telephone directory of its customers’ names, addresses, and phone numbers. Feist Publications, a company that produced a larger, regional telephone directory, copied some of these listings and was sued by Rural for copyright infringement.

Rural argued that its directory was protected by copyright, but Feist countered that the information in the directory (names, addresses, and phone numbers) was purely factual and, therefore, not eligible for copyright protection.

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Feist, stating that facts are not protected by copyright because they are not original to the author. The Court held that Rural’s directory did not qualify for copyright protection because it lacked creativity and originality – it was simply a compilation of facts (names and numbers). The case established the principle that mere facts are ineligible for copyright protection, even if they are compiled in an organized way.

This case is significant because it underscores that factual information, like a telephone directory, cannot be copyrighted unless there is a creative element involved in its presentation, such as an original selection or arrangement of the facts.

Application to Radio and Media:

When it comes to radio, news, or media content, the nature of the copyrighted work often comes into play, especially in cases where factual content (such as news clips or interviews) is being reused. Courts may treat factual works more leniently in fair use cases, allowing them to be repurposed for commentary, criticism, or reporting, as they serve a public interest. However, creative works, like talk shows, are given more protection because they represent original artistic expression. The more creative the work, the less likely its unauthorized use will be considered fair use.

An Example – Associated Press v. Meltwater U.S. Holdings (2013)

While not specific to radio, this case highlights the issue of using factual content in media. Associated Press (AP) sued Meltwater, a news aggregation service, for copying parts of AP’s news articles and distributing them without permission.

The court found in favor of the Associated Press, stating that even though AP’s articles contained factual information, they were written with creativity and journalistic skillthus, they were still copyrightable. The nature of the work was not purely factual, as it involved a degree of originality in the writing and presentation.  This case illustrates that while factual works may be more likely to fall under fair use, their specific presentation or creative treatment can still be protected.

Radio Case Example: Syndicated Content and Commentary

A case that touches on the nature of copyrighted works in radio can be seen in disputes over syndicated talk shows or political commentary. Stations that rebroadcast these shows without proper licensing agreements may argue fair use, but their success often depends on whether the work being used is factual or creative. For example, if a station replays a news clip or political speech, the fact that the content is factual might support a fair use defense. However, if they replay a syndicated talk show where a host offers personal opinions or creative commentary, it would be considered a more creative work, requiring higher protection. In some cases, radio stations have argued that the rebroadcasting of certain content (like portions of interviews or speeches) qualifies as fair use because it’s factual and in the public interest. Still, if the content also involves a unique editorial style or commentary, the courts may treat it as more creative and therefore not subject to fair use.

Practical takeaways for media creators:

• Factual vs. creative: When considering whether fair use applies, broadcasters should analyze whether the content they’re using is more factual or creative. Factual works (such as news reports) are more likely to be protected by fair use, while creative works (like music or dramas) are less likely.

• Add commentary or criticism: Even when using factual content, it’s crucial to add commentary, analysis, or criticism to support a fair use defense. Simply republishing factual material without transformation can still lead to copyright infringement.

• Be mindful of syndicated content: Syndicated content, such as talk shows, often involves a mix of factual information and creative opinion. Replaying such content without proper licensing can lead to legal challenges, as courts may view this as a use of creative work.

The nature of the copyrighted work plays a crucial role in fair use analysis. While factual works are more likely to be used under fair use, creative works enjoy stronger protection. Media creators, including broadcasters and radio stations, need to be aware of this distinction and ensure that their use of copyrighted material is both transformative and legally defensible. By understanding the factual-creative spectrum, media creators can better navigate the complexities of copyright law.

Media attorney, Matthew B. Harrison is VP/associate publisher, TALKERS; Senior Partner, Harrison Legal Group; and executive producer, Goodphone Communications.  He is available for private consultation and media industry contract representation. He can be reached by phone at 724-484-3529 or email at Matthew@HarrisonLegalGroup.com

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Audacy’s Suchman: What’s Making Audio the Most Effective Ad Medium

In a piece in AdAge, Audacy chief marketing officer Paul Suchman spells out how AI and influencer marketing are transforming audio into the most effective ad medium. Suchman writes, “Audio deserves muchim more recognition as a (legacy) medium that’s constantly innovating and evolving to enhance the consumer experience and the advertiser opportunity. At the heart of Audio lives great storytelling. From the beginning of humankind to today’s best advertising, storytelling is the single most effective tool for sharing information and knowledge – all while entertaining, educating and yes, selling. Storytelling is a constant, but the way stories are told is shifting, driven by new technologies and approaches that allow brands to create more emotional connection, deliver more personalized experiences and scale their campaigns for maximum impact. And no medium is better equipped to do this than audio.” Read the full article here.