FAIR USE: What Constitutes “Publishing” or a “Publication” on Today’s Media Playing Field?
By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Legal Group, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer
As the practice of “clip jockeying” becomes an increasingly ubiquitous and taken-for-granted technique in modern audio and video talk media, an understanding of the legal concept “fair use” is vital to the safety and survival of practitioners and their platforms.
When assessing fair use in audio media, courts closely examine the “nature of the copyrighted work,” especially focusing on whether the work is factual or creative, and published or unpublished. Factual content, such as news reports or data, is more likely to be seen as fair use material, as it’s in the public interest to keep factual information accessible. Creative works, like music, fiction, or original performances, often enjoy stronger protection because they embody the creator’s unique expression and should be compensated accordingly.
Unpublished interviews or speeches. When audio content includes unpublished material – such as a speech or interview that hasn’t been publicly released – courts typically approach it with heightened caution. For example, if a podcast includes clips from an unpublished interview with a politician to enhance commentary, courts might scrutinize this more heavily than they would a published work, as the speaker retains significant control over whether and how the content reaches the public.
Case study insight: Salinger v. Random House (1987). The landmark case Salinger v. Random House highlighted how unpublished works generally receive stronger copyright protection. In this case, the use of unpublished letters in a biography was ruled as infringing, emphasizing that unpublished materials hold a unique status in copyright law. If a podcaster today were to use a similarly unpublished interview with a public figure without significant commentary or transformation, they might face greater legal challenges.
Redefining “published” in the digital era. With digital platforms, the meaning of “published” is evolving. Traditionally, a work was deemed “published” when made available for sale, license, or public distribution. Now, sharing content online, even in a limited way – such as within a closed social media group or private online forum – raises questions about whether the content should be considered published. Courts are increasingly aware that limited digital sharing doesn’t necessarily reduce a work’s unpublished protections, but extensive online distribution might.
Modern considerations of online sharing. Courts today analyze factors like control over access and the sharing platform’s nature. For instance, an audio clip shared in a restricted forum might retain its unpublished protections, while a widely posted clip could lose some of those protections. Additionally, when creators post content on platforms like Instagram or YouTube before officially “publishing” it elsewhere, courts may take the creator’s intent and distribution scope into account when determining the content’s legal status.
As online platforms reshape how creators distribute their work, they also impact fair use, pushing courts to reinterpret what it means for a work to be “published.” This evolving understanding means that copyright protections depend not only on whether a work is accessible but also on the level of control over its distribution, especially for audio content.
Media attorney, Matthew B. Harrison is VP/associate publisher, TALKERS; Senior Partner, Harrison Legal Group; and executive producer, Goodphone Communications. He is available for private consultation and media industry contract representation. He can be reached by phone at 724-484-3529 or email at Matthew@HarrisonLegalGroup.com






Today is Election Day in America. Finally! Now the talk media industry is about to learn what’s next? No matter which way the presidential race goes, the results will have a measurable impact on news/talk media’s positioning and strategy going forward for years to come. According to TALKERS publisher Michael Harrison, “That’s what happens when the news media operates within the paradigm of primarily ‘targeting’ audiences based on their pre-existing biases, opinions, and passions. The only objective seeking of truth that takes place within the formulation of media strategy, in this transactional environment, focuses on one basic concern – where does the audience, that we so zealously covet, stand on this?” During an editorial conference this morning, Harrison stated, “The two major media-base ‘camps’ that have emerged in the past decade on talk radio, news/talk TV, YouTube and podcasting, fall under the basic headings of the pro-Trump media industry and the anti-Trump media industry. Yes, both have grown into full-fledged industries – and their interests are deeply entangled. As cynical as this might sound, the deck is about to be reshuffled to one degree or another and talk media industry practitioners are going to have to pull off some fancy steps to avoid sinking into the quicksand of inevitable changes in public opinion – regardless of what shape these movements take.” Harrison adds, “If you’ll pardon the ancient reference, no one wants to be left playing Frankie Avalon and Bobby Rydell records the day after the Beatles’ and their British buddies invaded our pop culture.”

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As media creators in radio and podcasting explore ways to legally incorporate external audio, the fair use factor of “purpose and character” is crucial. This factor assesses whether the use is “transformative”—adding new expression or meaning—or merely reproduces the original’s essence, potentially infringing on copyright.






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